Discussion
SVS said:
What do you think of these?
Oxford Nemesis vs. Squire Sold Secure Gold disc locks. Both achieve Gold in Sold Secure testing for motorcycle use, which I find reassuring.
They are cheaper than the high-end Abus locks too, although I think Abus has a strong reputation.
Thoughts? How much notice do you take of Sold Secure tests?
I considered those, but ended up with the untouchable as it was easier to carry in the space under my seat. Not sure what the Sold Secure tests actually involve but having multiple test/certs can only be a good thingOxford Nemesis vs. Squire Sold Secure Gold disc locks. Both achieve Gold in Sold Secure testing for motorcycle use, which I find reassuring.
They are cheaper than the high-end Abus locks too, although I think Abus has a strong reputation.
Thoughts? How much notice do you take of Sold Secure tests?
video here so you can see the size....strange video presenter, but you get the drift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIO-_yDdaX8
Edited by bogie on Monday 4th November 23:36
Thanks Bogie. Here's episode 2 in the Disc Lock series:
Abus Granit Sledg - the movie
Perhaps because of the blonde, it's one of the classic disc lock movies of all time
Abus Granit Sledg - the movie
Perhaps because of the blonde, it's one of the classic disc lock movies of all time
Amazon's reduced the price by £45 of the superb Abus Detecto 8000 alarmed disc lock. Amazing lock, amazing price reduction 
It's a steal
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Abus-8000-Detecto-Disc-Loc...
It's a steal
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Abus-8000-Detecto-Disc-Loc...
creampuff said:
I've decided to get a DISC LOCK too: an alarmed disc lock, seems like a cheap way of adding an alarm to the bike.
Can anybody comment on the alarm/features of the high end disc locks like the ABUS GRANIT DETECTO X-PLUS 8000 and the cheaper Abus (or other) disc locks.
The high end Abus locks, such as the 8000 and 8077, are top notch.Can anybody comment on the alarm/features of the high end disc locks like the ABUS GRANIT DETECTO X-PLUS 8000 and the cheaper Abus (or other) disc locks.
Edited by SVS on Saturday 11th January 20:03
Im with the guy that said lock it just in case.
To me guys that don't always secure their bikes are no better than someone who buys a motorbike then decides to use his northface jacket as protection. I have no issue with guys riding in tshirts and shorts because they want to they know the risks they choose to take them its the people that lay out for a bike then wear a wooly jumper as protection because they are being cheap.
To the guy who said he doesn't lock it at his house in secure parking and other places except dodgy councils estates please let me know where you park I could do with a free bike.
If you park in your garage or secure parking it is the opposite of secure as if your bike is NOT alarmed a thief can take all night taking any other security off in peace in your garage and secure parking is usually deserted so also buys a thief time
All chains bar a almax and squire combo are pointless. their is a vid on youtube where a guy called dr cropper chops chains upto £180 and the longest time taken was 30 seconds I believe. he tried to crop an almax and broke the croppers twice. a petrol angle grinder is the only thing that will take it off quickish. any other cutter will take a while
locking your bike on your drive with anything is pointless if you have no form of alarm as most bar the almax can be removed given time. Most alarms are a pain as they cost a bit and can fail and if hooked to the ignition can make the bike dead roadside. some can be bypassed quick anyway
A decent alarm disc lock removes a lot of this.
It cannot be bypassed and must be sledged off or cut whilst the alarm is going of. it will not leave you roadside with a dead bike. for areas where your nearby it will stop it being taken as you will hear it. for anywhere else a almax will stop it being van loaded.
a disc look take 5 seconds to put on.
If you don't wish to take 5 seconds or don't wish to spend £130 on a £1000+ machine then expect your bike to be taken and please don't complain if it does.
Lastly if you have a drive and a side alley for god sake stop looking it down the side of your house in the dark where no one can see it. this is a great place for a thief to take his time unnoticed
park it on the front drive alarm disc it and put in a sensor security light.
not many thief's will stand under a 500w security light with the alarm blaring trying to remove your lock.
To me guys that don't always secure their bikes are no better than someone who buys a motorbike then decides to use his northface jacket as protection. I have no issue with guys riding in tshirts and shorts because they want to they know the risks they choose to take them its the people that lay out for a bike then wear a wooly jumper as protection because they are being cheap.
To the guy who said he doesn't lock it at his house in secure parking and other places except dodgy councils estates please let me know where you park I could do with a free bike.
If you park in your garage or secure parking it is the opposite of secure as if your bike is NOT alarmed a thief can take all night taking any other security off in peace in your garage and secure parking is usually deserted so also buys a thief time
All chains bar a almax and squire combo are pointless. their is a vid on youtube where a guy called dr cropper chops chains upto £180 and the longest time taken was 30 seconds I believe. he tried to crop an almax and broke the croppers twice. a petrol angle grinder is the only thing that will take it off quickish. any other cutter will take a while
locking your bike on your drive with anything is pointless if you have no form of alarm as most bar the almax can be removed given time. Most alarms are a pain as they cost a bit and can fail and if hooked to the ignition can make the bike dead roadside. some can be bypassed quick anyway
A decent alarm disc lock removes a lot of this.
It cannot be bypassed and must be sledged off or cut whilst the alarm is going of. it will not leave you roadside with a dead bike. for areas where your nearby it will stop it being taken as you will hear it. for anywhere else a almax will stop it being van loaded.
a disc look take 5 seconds to put on.
If you don't wish to take 5 seconds or don't wish to spend £130 on a £1000+ machine then expect your bike to be taken and please don't complain if it does.
Lastly if you have a drive and a side alley for god sake stop looking it down the side of your house in the dark where no one can see it. this is a great place for a thief to take his time unnoticed
park it on the front drive alarm disc it and put in a sensor security light.
not many thief's will stand under a 500w security light with the alarm blaring trying to remove your lock.
Edited by number1barber on Sunday 21st September 13:02
Mike600F said:
I have a lock that i've committed to put on every time i'm away from the bike - come renewal time, thats coming off the policy - pain in the arse.
After having two bikes stolen at the same time six months ago I don't care how much of a pain in the arse it is; I am never leaving a bike unattended - not even for a minute - without a lock and alarm. Never ever again. It is a pain though - I've had my garage side access bricked up, one canopy door disabled (and seriously braced) so to get my bike out I need to unset garage alarm, undo the SEVEN locks on the single remaining door, get the car out, get the two protector 19mm chains off the bike, the disc lock off and alarm off. Then put the car back, refit the seven locks and set the alarm. All this in a nice area too.
Pain in the arse doesn't even cover it!
number1barber said:
If you park in your garage or secure parking it is the opposite of secure as if your bike is alarmed a thief can take all night taking any oth
Which is what happened to me - they spent all night emptying the garage - to the extent that they even took things like a 40kg giant trolley jack, and a big f
k off outboard motor.Incidentally folks - if you have things like angle grinders - don't keep them in your garage. Otherwise they'll just use those to cut through your locks.....
I think "my" thieves were proper pros - the street lights outside had been disabled and (this may be coincidence) they struck on a moonless night. They also took a lot of locks and chains that were in the garage and to which there were no keys - I wonder if this was for practice?
Edited by Dog Star on Friday 19th September 14:58
Dog Star - Instead of using seven locks (!) on your garage door, could you simply replace your garage door with a SeceuroGlide Excel door? It's the one garage door that's been independently tested to a high level of burglary resistance.
I don't know how much a SeceuroGlide Excel garage door would cost, but it might save you a lot of time and reduce your hassle.
I don't know how much a SeceuroGlide Excel garage door would cost, but it might save you a lot of time and reduce your hassle.
That sucks. the thing about door locks is that they are silent.
My dad has a yard I I told him a few times that he should rig up a chain of floods to the alarm and to a master switch just in case.
if they take the time to do one lock they will take the time to do seven. I would find a cheap used old safe £50 and put a house alarm that has a battery backup inside . drill a hole in the lower back or bottom and run the mains cable in and and 3 leads out. mount the movement sensor on top and the remote sensor if it wont detect through the safe. also put a dummy camera on top or if you use a good system then you can hook up a real one put a sensor flood light next to or on top of it wired with it or separate. get a smiley face sticker stick it on the door and write "smile f*cker" on the door in sharpe. point the light and safe at a angle a little off so it will let them walk into the room a foot before it comes on. if you wish you can run a cable to the main house for the sensors and alarm your house with it as well. If your alarm has an auto dialer you will get called as soon as it happens or if you own a chainsaw then don't wire in the siren and flood just the auto dialer so you have time to get the chainsaw and walk round to the garage
or a silent alarm with a heavy steel door and automatic deadbolts on closing to lock them in.
safe £50
pir light £10
alarm on fleabay £20+
Look on their face pricless
If siren is not loud enough inside either upgrade the unit or drop a cable to the house and have it on up high.
My dad has a yard I I told him a few times that he should rig up a chain of floods to the alarm and to a master switch just in case.
if they take the time to do one lock they will take the time to do seven. I would find a cheap used old safe £50 and put a house alarm that has a battery backup inside . drill a hole in the lower back or bottom and run the mains cable in and and 3 leads out. mount the movement sensor on top and the remote sensor if it wont detect through the safe. also put a dummy camera on top or if you use a good system then you can hook up a real one put a sensor flood light next to or on top of it wired with it or separate. get a smiley face sticker stick it on the door and write "smile f*cker" on the door in sharpe. point the light and safe at a angle a little off so it will let them walk into the room a foot before it comes on. if you wish you can run a cable to the main house for the sensors and alarm your house with it as well. If your alarm has an auto dialer you will get called as soon as it happens or if you own a chainsaw then don't wire in the siren and flood just the auto dialer so you have time to get the chainsaw and walk round to the garage
or a silent alarm with a heavy steel door and automatic deadbolts on closing to lock them in.
safe £50
pir light £10
alarm on fleabay £20+
Look on their face pricless
If siren is not loud enough inside either upgrade the unit or drop a cable to the house and have it on up high.
Edited by number1barber on Sunday 21st September 13:06
On top of security another option is a secondhand logitech c920 webcam plugged into a pc/laptop and ispy software
i have the logitech 9000 and the c920 is way sharper with good low light although you do need a street light nearby at least. you set up the camera pointing at your bike or whatever you want to cover you then select the motion setting and draw a box around what you want the camera to cover. the camera will ignore everything in the picture outside the box but once something enters the box it will record the whole area it is covering including the box. if you pay a subscription it will send you a warning text allowing you to view the footage and live view on your smartphone. good for house protection as well as bike if you dont want false alerts can be setup indoors pointing at a back door
i have the logitech 9000 and the c920 is way sharper with good low light although you do need a street light nearby at least. you set up the camera pointing at your bike or whatever you want to cover you then select the motion setting and draw a box around what you want the camera to cover. the camera will ignore everything in the picture outside the box but once something enters the box it will record the whole area it is covering including the box. if you pay a subscription it will send you a warning text allowing you to view the footage and live view on your smartphone. good for house protection as well as bike if you dont want false alerts can be setup indoors pointing at a back door
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