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ibi
Original Poster
3 posts
19 months
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So up until now I've been riding an ex-courier CBF500 and really not cared very much about security because it's pretty unlikely anyone is going to steal it (I've been using an Abus Provogue disc lock). I'm about to get a shiny Hypermotard 796, and care somewhat more. I've bought an Abus 10KS chain and 34CS/55 padlock for when it's garaged at home (locked to a thick concrete pillar), and want to get a new disc lock as well, mainly for when I'm not at home. I live in central London, and was considering a Xena lock with an alarm in the hope that it'll attract enough attention to at least make the thieves a little uncomfortable whilst they cut through it. Looking around online these locks seems to have a pretty bad reputation: going off in the night/alarm stops working when it gets wet/Xena don't honour warranty. Has anyone had any experience with one of these? More generally, what's the consensus on having a lock with an alarm - worth it or not? Having apparently become an Abus fanboi, if I don't bother with the alarm I'll likely get the Granit Victory X-Plus which looks like a better lock then the Xena. On a somewhat unrelated note, I am also wondering whether to declare the disc lock to the insurer (eBike). It'll save me about £70 on the premium (making the lock basically free), but they're pretty clear that you are not covered at all if the bike is stolen when the lock isn't in place. I'm basically wondering how anal they are likely to be about this - what happens if I leave it without the lock for 2 minutes to pop into a shop, or something. Here is a pretty picture: 
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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If you say, that you will leave the disc lock on when the bike is unattended, then you will have to follow that. I presume, if you make a claim for theft, it will be something they ask you to declare immediately. However, for the saving of only £70, will you want to commit to that? My disc lock fits under the seat, so it's easy to always have it with me.
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Turbofocus
304 posts
26 months
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Can you use the chain with a disc lock too at work. For home i use Almax chains as i saw to many other chains quickly cut in seconds.
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Mike600F
678 posts
25 months
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graphene said: If you say, that you will leave the disc lock on when the bike is unattended, then you will have to follow that. I presume, if you make a claim for theft, it will be something they ask you to declare immediately. However, for the saving of only £70, will you want to commit to that? My disc lock fits under the seat, so it's easy to always have it with me. I have a lock that i've committed to put on every time i'm away from the bike - come renewal time, thats coming off the policy - pain in the arse.
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Steve Evil
8,488 posts
98 months
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This page over on the Bikechat forums is a great source of info for security: http://www.therevcounter.com/content/145-motorcycl...Your Abus chain will put off the opportunist, but it won't last very long at all against a set of croppers. As said, if it gets stolen without the disc lock fitted and you said you were going to fit one there's almost zero chance of them paying out.
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sc0tt
7,416 posts
70 months
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I have an oxford disc lock that i didnt declare and i dont really use. I will use it in london though on my scooter.
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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Mike600F said: graphene said: If you say, that you will leave the disc lock on when the bike is unattended, then you will have to follow that. I presume, if you make a claim for theft, it will be something they ask you to declare immediately. However, for the saving of only £70, will you want to commit to that? My disc lock fits under the seat, so it's easy to always have it with me. I have a lock that i've committed to put on every time i'm away from the bike - come renewal time, thats coming off the policy - pain in the arse. it is
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Mad Jock
785 posts
131 months
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Steve Evil
8,488 posts
98 months
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Mad Jock said: That's the chap who wrote the article I posted above, Almax chains are the ones to go for, they're not going to get through them without some seriously noisy equipment.
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LoonR1
12,431 posts
46 months
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If you state the disc lock will always be on the bike when unattended then the trip to the shops is included in that even if only for 30 seconds. Chances are even if you set the bike in concrete all the way the bars it'll still get nicked in London Village. The whole place is a stinking s  thole IMO.
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ibi
Original Poster
3 posts
19 months
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So sounds like definitely don't bother telling the insurance about anything - this is what I'd been leaning towards anyway. The Almax chains look pretty solid, would have liked to see them at least try and cut one of them too  I realise there's not much I can do to stop a determined and properly equipped thief, right now I'm just aiming to make sure my bike isn't the most appealing in the garage  There's nothing to lock the bike to at work unfortunately, hence disc lock. That page slates the Abus disc lock I was thinking about, without much of a reason - any ideas?
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LoonR1
12,431 posts
46 months
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I'm no expert but you really need to fin something to lock your bike to. Organised gangs simply lift the bike into a van and drive off, so it doesn't matter how good the disc lock is.
On an earlier post there's a link to a forum where Zanx is the man on all things security. Take his advice and you won't go far wrong.
I still think leaving London is your best option and not just because of bike thieves.
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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LoonR1 said: I'm no expert but you really need to fin something to lock your bike to. ... This will fin them: 
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Hooli
21,167 posts
69 months
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LoonR1 said: I still think leaving London is your best option and not just because of bike thieves. Good advice as always 
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Wedg1e
22,688 posts
134 months
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I don't get this 'using a lock is too much hassle' thing. I mean, do you bother locking your house when you go out? Of course you do and why? To stop some light-fingered chancer walking in and making off with your Ipod/ porn collection/ missus. We all know that if Jimmy the Jemmy wants to be in he will, same as how Gyppo George and his bike-twocking crue will have your ride in the next county before you can say 'd'ye wanna buy a dag', but do you want to make it easy for the spotty teenage masturbators to leg it with your sports bike to rag around the estate and leave in a burning heap behind the wheelie bins at Nelson Mandela house? Of course you f  king don't, so stop being an idle t  t and use a bloody disc lock. No fecking wonder insurance premiums are like they are.
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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Wedg1e said: I don't get this 'using a lock is too much hassle' thing. I mean, do you bother locking your house when you go out? Of course you do and why? To stop some light-fingered chancer walking in and making off with your Ipod/ porn collection/ missus. We all know that if Jimmy the Jemmy wants to be in he will, same as how Gyppo George and his bike-twocking crue will have your ride in the next county before you can say 'd'ye wanna buy a dag', but do you want to make it easy for the spotty teenage masturbators to leg it with your sports bike to rag around the estate and leave in a burning heap behind the wheelie bins at Nelson Mandela house? Of course you f  king don't, so stop being an idle t  t and use a bloody disc lock. No fecking wonder insurance premiums are like they are. I agree with you to an extent, and I will continue to use a disc lock regularly, but I think your point of view overstates the deterrent provided by a disc lock against it's inconvenience... well, it does in my case at least. I don't move my house around in the garage or secure car park at work, and house locks are integral, so the that analogy is imcompatible. Having declared the disc lock on my insurance, I am now contracted to use it all times, else not be covered against theft. Having to remember it's there, ensure I have it available, and then take it off and on again and also stow it each time, is inconvenient against the small return in the reduced insurance (and deterrant) it provides. As you say, it does little to prevent a range of thefts, and it would not be difficult for the "spotty teenage [tool handler]" to trailer the bike away having placed the front wheel on a trolley of some kind - a skateboard, even.
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Rubin215
1,411 posts
25 months
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Hooli said: LoonR1 said: I still think leaving London is your best option and not just because of bike thieves. Good advice as always  +100
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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Rubin215 said: Hooli said: LoonR1 said: I still think leaving London is your best option and not just because of bike thieves. Good advice as always  +100 Terrible advice, flawed opinion, -x*y²
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Wedg1e
22,688 posts
134 months
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graphene said: I agree with you to an extent, and I will continue to use a disc lock regularly, but I think your point of view overstates the deterrent provided by a disc lock against it's inconvenience... well, it does in my case at least. I don't move my house around in the garage or secure car park at work, and house locks are integral, so the that analogy is imcompatible. You don't wear a crash helmet (or indeed gloves, boots and a leather jacket) to do the housework yet you cope with the minor inconvenience of it whilst riding; it's hardly a major military operation to bend down and twist a key  . Still, you decide your own level of risk, I guess. If my bike is outside my back door and I'm sat on the pot 5 feet away I'll still have the disc lock (and steering lock and alarm) on. I refuse point-blank to give the thieving scum of this world the slightest edge.
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graphene
868 posts
24 months
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Wedg1e said: graphene said: I agree with you to an extent, and I will continue to use a disc lock regularly, but I think your point of view overstates the deterrent provided by a disc lock against it's inconvenience... well, it does in my case at least. I don't move my house around in the garage or secure car park at work, and house locks are integral, so the that analogy is imcompatible. You don't wear a crash helmet (or indeed gloves, boots and a leather jacket) to do the housework yet you cope with the minor inconvenience of it whilst riding; it's hardly a major military operation to bend down and twist a key  . Still, you decide your own level of risk, I guess. If my bike is outside my back door and I'm sat on the pot 5 feet away I'll still have the disc lock (and steering lock and alarm) on. I refuse point-blank to give the thieving scum of this world the slightest edge. If you think that wearing safety equipment whilst riding a motorcycle, is comparable to doing housework, then I would have to agree with you - I will decide my own level of risk.
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