RE: PH2: Casey Stoner retires
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It's a massive shame. but if you saw him in Parc Ferme today with wife and baby. You'll know that's EXACTLY why he's calling time. I like the guy for his honesty and the amazing ability on the bike. Much as I'm a Kimi fan in F1. The PR s
t these guys have to do is ridiculous.
However, as ever on these threads (regardless of forum) you get the VR teenyboppers. The people that know fk all about MotoGP but have heard of Rossi so are his "biggest fan in the world ever" and these fkwits criticise anyone that dares to point out that Rossi has made some suspect decisions/comments over the years. (grid cleaning st at Qatar or "we'll have that Duke sorted in 45 seconds" )
Or they try and denigrate Rossis competition. Particularly Jorge and Casey.
Don't get me wrong. Rossi is a HUGE talent. And I count myslef as a fan. Possibly the GOAT. But lets not lose impartiality in all that. The most rounded are MotoGP fans. The people that watch the racing because they love the racing. The people that watch Moto3 and Moto2 at the weekend. Not the people who once VR retires will never watch the sport again...
t these guys have to do is ridiculous.However, as ever on these threads (regardless of forum) you get the VR teenyboppers. The people that know f
k all about MotoGP but have heard of Rossi so are his "biggest fan in the world ever" and these fkwits criticise anyone that dares to point out that Rossi has made some suspect decisions/comments over the years. (grid cleaning st at Qatar or "we'll have that Duke sorted in 45 seconds" )Or they try and denigrate Rossis competition. Particularly Jorge and Casey.
Don't get me wrong. Rossi is a HUGE talent. And I count myslef as a fan. Possibly the GOAT. But lets not lose impartiality in all that. The most rounded are MotoGP fans. The people that watch the racing because they love the racing. The people that watch Moto3 and Moto2 at the weekend. Not the people who once VR retires will never watch the sport again...
Edited by Rich_W on Saturday 19th May 21:14
Rawwr said:
Not at all personal. I said 'MAYBE' 'HE' 'THINKS' you're a c*nt.
I can't speak for him.
You can't speak for yourself either - you said "Maybe he just think". I can't speak for him.
Anyway. I've changed my mind. He's a f
king saint. All hail Casey, God of riding and all round top bloke, who all here know better than I do, for I am not worthy. I prostrate myself against the greater knowledge and insight of all on this thread. Thankyou, PH warriors, for setting me on the TRUE PATH.Amen.
Alexking, why has Casey done in his lifetime to warrant your pathetic abuse?
I've been watching (and involved with) Bikesport on many different levels for 25 years, I remember well when Casey & his family came to England, after selling everything they had in Aus, to live in a caravan in penrith, all so Casey could carry on what he was good at, I spent frequent occasions sharing pit wall with Casey's Dad, even then you could tell Casey was never going to stick around forever, just as many riders before him, Casey has always been destined to win the greatest 2 wheel title on earth. The fact he has done that whilst keeping his integrity intact and not bowing to PR men only increases my admiration of him, some folk criticise his openness and the fact he willingly tells all to reporters, if the bike Isnt right, again what's wrong with that, or him telling everyone his health problems?
I'm lucky enough to have spoken to some of the greatest riders ever, Ago,Spencer, Gardner, Doohan and on several occasion Mr V Rossi, I can assure you that away from the cameras and with no PR bloke stood behind him, VR is just as dour and 'soulless' as people say Casey is, difference is Casey only has one side, the side that's always said he wants to ride, win titles then disappear off to Aus with his hunting gear and über hot wife and become a baby making machine.
Finally when riders like Spencer, Gardner, Doohan, Roberts & Rainey all publicly say that Casey is the most naturally talented rider they have ever seen, then i tend to listen to that over some 2 bit idiot on a forum, and before you say it, no, I'm not a Casey fanboy (god I hate that word) I've actually been a fan of VR since he first appeared on Italian 125's, I admire VR's achievements greatly and he will be hard to match in terms of titles, but he is more popular because of silly stunts than his on track stuff. I suppose you could call me 'old school' in that a rider is made for one thing, wrestling a bike around a circuit as fast as physically possible, not running around dressed as a chicken!
Final point, over the last 2 years VR has constantly moaned to the press. About that Ducati, day in day out to any journo that would listen, Casey very rarely spoke out about the fickle front end, so who does that make the moaner??
I've been watching (and involved with) Bikesport on many different levels for 25 years, I remember well when Casey & his family came to England, after selling everything they had in Aus, to live in a caravan in penrith, all so Casey could carry on what he was good at, I spent frequent occasions sharing pit wall with Casey's Dad, even then you could tell Casey was never going to stick around forever, just as many riders before him, Casey has always been destined to win the greatest 2 wheel title on earth. The fact he has done that whilst keeping his integrity intact and not bowing to PR men only increases my admiration of him, some folk criticise his openness and the fact he willingly tells all to reporters, if the bike Isnt right, again what's wrong with that, or him telling everyone his health problems?
I'm lucky enough to have spoken to some of the greatest riders ever, Ago,Spencer, Gardner, Doohan and on several occasion Mr V Rossi, I can assure you that away from the cameras and with no PR bloke stood behind him, VR is just as dour and 'soulless' as people say Casey is, difference is Casey only has one side, the side that's always said he wants to ride, win titles then disappear off to Aus with his hunting gear and über hot wife and become a baby making machine.
Finally when riders like Spencer, Gardner, Doohan, Roberts & Rainey all publicly say that Casey is the most naturally talented rider they have ever seen, then i tend to listen to that over some 2 bit idiot on a forum, and before you say it, no, I'm not a Casey fanboy (god I hate that word) I've actually been a fan of VR since he first appeared on Italian 125's, I admire VR's achievements greatly and he will be hard to match in terms of titles, but he is more popular because of silly stunts than his on track stuff. I suppose you could call me 'old school' in that a rider is made for one thing, wrestling a bike around a circuit as fast as physically possible, not running around dressed as a chicken!
Final point, over the last 2 years VR has constantly moaned to the press. About that Ducati, day in day out to any journo that would listen, Casey very rarely spoke out about the fickle front end, so who does that make the moaner??
I fully understand his reasons and have no problem with his decision,he is his own man and not a corporate automiton.Casey has got out while there is still some credibility in winning the title.The size of the grid these days and lack of manufacturers is the dissapointment,not riders retiring.
I'll just chuck in Stoner's explanation at the press conference for why he's not on pole:
"we were going really well and could have been quicker but other riders kept getting in the way"
No, really, he actually did just say that. On Eurosport.
Sorry Casey, next time you can have an hour of track time on your own.
FFS. I wonder how Pedrosa and Dovi managed their times under such "difficult" conditions?
"we were going really well and could have been quicker but other riders kept getting in the way"
No, really, he actually did just say that. On Eurosport.
Sorry Casey, next time you can have an hour of track time on your own.
FFS. I wonder how Pedrosa and Dovi managed their times under such "difficult" conditions?
Attribute the quote to the rider 
"It was a pity that I couldn't battle in the final stages because I'm sure I had a chance of getting pole position."
"I think I could have challenged for pole position had things gone my way."
"I’m not happy, I wanted to be at least on the front row.
"I had to pass a rider on my good lap, otherwise I could have been faster."
"We're really happy to be on front row."
"It was a pity that I couldn't battle in the final stages because I'm sure I had a chance of getting pole position."
"I think I could have challenged for pole position had things gone my way."
"I’m not happy, I wanted to be at least on the front row.
"I had to pass a rider on my good lap, otherwise I could have been faster."
"We're really happy to be on front row."
CAPP0 said:
Well they're all pathetic twunts then! What part of racing ever involved having nobody else to contend with out on track?
But none of them are saying it shouldn't be like that. They're all asked a question and they all answer it. If you're a racer, the only person that's going to be happy is the person on pole. If you're not on pole, you're going to say why you're not on pole. This absurd belief that it's only Stoner who does this is quite mind-boggling.CAPP0 said:
Well they're all pathetic twunts then! What part of racing ever involved having nobody else to contend with out on track?
Whilst i started to type out a reasoned response, i cant be bothered, but two words for you to try and understand!Qualifying
Racing
In F1 you get fines or penalties if you get in some ones way whilst on a "qualifying" lap and i would damn hope MotoGp doesnt start going down the route of over regulation like F1!
I would give up watching motorsport if you cant distinguish the difference between the two!!!!
Edited by jetpilot on Sunday 20th May 09:44
Edited by jetpilot on Sunday 20th May 09:47
Edited by jetpilot on Sunday 20th May 09:48
jetpilot said:
words
I can't really BA to descend into the bhfest that BB routinely becomes these days, but I'll just point out that in terms of how long I've been watching (and understanding), well, let's just say that there's a strong probability that my offspring are older than many of the posters on here.My point was/is, racing or quali, it's always been thus. What the flying f
k is the point of saying you could go faster if nobody got in your way? Because there were always other riders on the track during quali, and there always will be. So, it's a pathetic, pointless excuse.How about "I could have gone faster if my engine was more powerful"? How about "I could have posted a shorter time if those corners weren't on the circuit"? How about "I could have gone faster if I ignored the FIM rules"?
And one last, OT, point: this board is called biker "banter". not biker "sit behind your cornflakes and post argumentative s
t" I would, er, give up posting if you cant distinguish the difference between the two......CAPP0 said:
I can't really BA to descend into the bhfest that BB routinely becomes these days, but I'll just point out that in terms of how long I've been watching (and understanding), well, let's just say that there's a strong probability that my offspring are older than many of the posters on here.
My point was/is, racing or quali, it's always been thus. What the flying fk is the point of saying you could go faster if nobody got in your way? Because there were always other riders on the track during quali, and there always will be. So, it's a pathetic, pointless excuse.
How about "I could have gone faster if my engine was more powerful"? How about "I could have posted a shorter time if those corners weren't on the circuit"? How about "I could have gone faster if I ignored the FIM rules"?
And one last, OT, point: this board is called biker "banter". not biker "sit behind your cornflakes and post argumentative st" I would, er, give up posting if you cant distinguish the difference between the two......
I am not arguing and not descending into a bhfest that BB routinely becomes these days, but I'll just point out that in terms of how long I've been watching (and understanding), well, let's just say that there's a strong probability that my offspring are older than many of the posters on here.My point was/is, racing or quali, it's always been thus. What the flying f
k is the point of saying you could go faster if nobody got in your way? Because there were always other riders on the track during quali, and there always will be. So, it's a pathetic, pointless excuse.How about "I could have gone faster if my engine was more powerful"? How about "I could have posted a shorter time if those corners weren't on the circuit"? How about "I could have gone faster if I ignored the FIM rules"?
And one last, OT, point: this board is called biker "banter". not biker "sit behind your cornflakes and post argumentative s
t" I would, er, give up posting if you cant distinguish the difference between the two......hfest and quite frankly, suggesting your age has any bearing on this "discussion" is amusing to say the least! However, there is and always will be a distinct difference between qualifying and racing, end of! You takes your chances in MotoGp, most of the riders will constantly be looking for gaps in the field to release their best hot lap without the possibilities of someone slowing them, the idea of qualifying itself is to get round the lap in the quickest possible time without interference! Ever see the old superpole in WSB, no one but you on the track so you can do your quickest lap!
What should he have said? I'm assuming that the question he was asked was something like "Casey, you looked like you had pace for pole today how come you didn't manage it?". His comment is reasonable when you consider it was a drying track and therefore he didn't have an hour to put in a hot lap. From memory he had a 5-10 min window to put in a fast lap much like everyone else. Given the small window some people get lucky with traffic, some don't. What exactly is wrong with saying he got caught up with slower riders every time he went for pole?
I hate to see riders making yuo terrible excuses for lack of performance, but this instance looks to me like he answered a question with a genuine answer. I am not sure what you would have expected him to say as any answer can be interpreted as moaning if you choose to see it that way.
I hate to see riders making yuo terrible excuses for lack of performance, but this instance looks to me like he answered a question with a genuine answer. I am not sure what you would have expected him to say as any answer can be interpreted as moaning if you choose to see it that way.
CAPP0 said:
What the flying fk is the point of saying you could go faster if nobody got in your way? Because there were always other riders on the track during quali, and there always will be. So, it's a pathetic, pointless excuse.
What should they say? Tell us what you think they should say in response to the question.k is the point of saying you could go faster if nobody got in your way? Because there were always other riders on the track during quali, and there always will be. So, it's a pathetic, pointless excuse.CAPP0 said:
I'll just chuck in Stoner's explanation at the press conference for why he's not on pole:
"we were going really well and could have been quicker but other riders kept getting in the way"
No, really, he actually did just say that. On Eurosport.
Sorry Casey, next time you can have an hour of track time on your own.
FFS. I wonder how Pedrosa and Dovi managed their times under such "difficult" conditions?
Has it occurred to you that he was giving an explanation rather than an excuse?"we were going really well and could have been quicker but other riders kept getting in the way"
No, really, he actually did just say that. On Eurosport.
Sorry Casey, next time you can have an hour of track time on your own.
FFS. I wonder how Pedrosa and Dovi managed their times under such "difficult" conditions?
Don't get so hung up on what the riders say when interviewed after a race / qauli. It is NOT a reflection of who they are. They're wired on adrenaline, knackered, and possibly pissed off at not performing how they felt they could. Try shoving a mic in front of anyone under those conditions and listen to the s
te that wouls spill out of their mouths.Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff