RE: PH2: Casey Stoner retires
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e30s50b30 said:
I take it you don't ride? He's about 0.5 seconds from landing on his arse there. ode said:
I for one will miss the way he seems to be able ride the s**t out of whatever bike he's on. All the comments about his personality seem a tad harsh - always found him much less annoying than Rossi and some of the others.
Seconded, I don't find his personality annoying whatsoever, I find it refreshing that as a rider he will say exactly what he thinks regardless of who does or doesn't like it.Sure he's done his fair share of moaning about the bikes he's ridden over the years and some of his fellow riders, but generally I think that most times he's 'moaned' about something he's had a point.
He's a remarkable talent and a great loss to the sport, but I can appreciate the fact that after he's started a family his priorities have changed.
I hope that he'll return in a few years, I know he's a prototype man at heart, but it'd be nice to think of him trying his hand at WSB.
I think its the right move for him personally.
He's spent his entire life racing motorcycles and has got to the absolute pinnacle of the sport - winning the Championship of the premier class multiple times on different bikes. He has nothing left to prove. The only real target that he might have would be to beat Rossi's number of championship wins, but he would only hold that until the next wunderkind came along.
He has a wife, child, plenty of money in the bank and no serious injuries. He is going out while he is at the top of his game. It could only go downhill from here if he carried on racing – one day he would eventually be beaten, or injured, or killed.
Look at Rossi now. Two years dribbling around midfield on the Ducati have taken the sparkle off of his prodigious record to date. Maybe Stoner is looking at Rossi and thinking "I don't want to end up in that position".
He's spent his entire life racing motorcycles and has got to the absolute pinnacle of the sport - winning the Championship of the premier class multiple times on different bikes. He has nothing left to prove. The only real target that he might have would be to beat Rossi's number of championship wins, but he would only hold that until the next wunderkind came along.
He has a wife, child, plenty of money in the bank and no serious injuries. He is going out while he is at the top of his game. It could only go downhill from here if he carried on racing – one day he would eventually be beaten, or injured, or killed.
Look at Rossi now. Two years dribbling around midfield on the Ducati have taken the sparkle off of his prodigious record to date. Maybe Stoner is looking at Rossi and thinking "I don't want to end up in that position".
It's his life. We don't own him.
There's more to life than work and perhaps it's started to seem like work rather than doing what you love to do that you also happen to get paid for.
I'm sure many of us have jobs where we've passionate and the pay was a secondary consideration, and other jobs at other places by comparison have been work.
He's 26, there's plenty more he can do.
There's more to life than work and perhaps it's started to seem like work rather than doing what you love to do that you also happen to get paid for.
I'm sure many of us have jobs where we've passionate and the pay was a secondary consideration, and other jobs at other places by comparison have been work.
He's 26, there's plenty more he can do.
God there is some bo**cks written on here.
AlexKing, what the hell are you on about, he has given those people that pumped loads of money into him, two world championships, including Ducati who are paying Rossi far more to give them what, mid field positions, but that is ok in your books because he is a "character". I watch bike racing to see the best riders amaze me with their abilities, not put on a side show at the end of the race, oh how funny it was when Rossi got off his bike and went into a portaloo on the slow down lap, if you want entertainment like that, go to a panto, he's behind you, oh no he's not.............. So he gets arm pump and your comparing it to a 600 superstock rider, whats a MotoGp bike got, like a 100hp more than a superstock, i would imagine its twice as hard trying to ride one of them for 25 laps or so! If you wont miss watching Stoner racing, i have no idea why you watch any form of bike racing! As Keith Huwen said, he would pay to watch Casey ride round by himself!
e30s50b30, obviously the home have decided thats enough "free play" today and have accompanied you back to the your room!
Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and to a lesser extend Hayden (now Cal) have rejuvenated my interested in the top class. Much as i loved Rossi's rise to fame and his dices with Biaggi and Gibernau, his success became boring, championships won way before the final round and to be frank, his little pranks/shows became tiresome and juvenile! Whilst you cannot but utterly admire Rossi, i was glad to see him beat, the season Hayden won was one of the best ever, i will never forget Hayden walking out the gravel after Pedrosa had taken him out in the penultimate race!
Whilst i sit here, i can only dream of what it must be like to race In MotoGp, let alone win, however, i cannot imagine the life that Stoner has dedicated to bike racing! Whilst i was running around without a care in my world, playing soldiers or whatever, that young lad had most likely hardly any of that, i only have to look at my 25 year old nephew and then Stoner to realise the pressure he must be under!
So, thanks for the shots (posted elsewhere) and memories Mr Stoner, go enjoy your life, you have earned it in my honest opinion!
AlexKing, what the hell are you on about, he has given those people that pumped loads of money into him, two world championships, including Ducati who are paying Rossi far more to give them what, mid field positions, but that is ok in your books because he is a "character". I watch bike racing to see the best riders amaze me with their abilities, not put on a side show at the end of the race, oh how funny it was when Rossi got off his bike and went into a portaloo on the slow down lap, if you want entertainment like that, go to a panto, he's behind you, oh no he's not.............. So he gets arm pump and your comparing it to a 600 superstock rider, whats a MotoGp bike got, like a 100hp more than a superstock, i would imagine its twice as hard trying to ride one of them for 25 laps or so! If you wont miss watching Stoner racing, i have no idea why you watch any form of bike racing! As Keith Huwen said, he would pay to watch Casey ride round by himself!
e30s50b30, obviously the home have decided thats enough "free play" today and have accompanied you back to the your room!
Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa and to a lesser extend Hayden (now Cal) have rejuvenated my interested in the top class. Much as i loved Rossi's rise to fame and his dices with Biaggi and Gibernau, his success became boring, championships won way before the final round and to be frank, his little pranks/shows became tiresome and juvenile! Whilst you cannot but utterly admire Rossi, i was glad to see him beat, the season Hayden won was one of the best ever, i will never forget Hayden walking out the gravel after Pedrosa had taken him out in the penultimate race!
Whilst i sit here, i can only dream of what it must be like to race In MotoGp, let alone win, however, i cannot imagine the life that Stoner has dedicated to bike racing! Whilst i was running around without a care in my world, playing soldiers or whatever, that young lad had most likely hardly any of that, i only have to look at my 25 year old nephew and then Stoner to realise the pressure he must be under!
So, thanks for the shots (posted elsewhere) and memories Mr Stoner, go enjoy your life, you have earned it in my honest opinion!
Edited by jetpilot on Friday 18th May 15:58
Edited by jetpilot on Friday 18th May 16:20
AlexKing said:
I think it's sad too, and that he is a truly great rider but, as I think has been said of the likes of Schumacher, he'll always struggle to be thought of as a great champion, because he's not a great person.
Do you watch the same programs as the rest of us? MS is a great person, IMO, and a fantastic talent on the grid. Anyway, each to their own. You can never, never knock someone for going out on a high no matter how much you would like to see them carry on. They take their life in their hands every 2 weeks for us to watch, and that deserves a huge amount of respect and admiration, no matter how much you dislike the guy.
Im not a fan, but what a shame to loose a double world champion and an incredibly talented racer from the paddock.
Stoner came with his family to the uk, leaving Oz and sleeping in a caravan didn't he?
Just so he could join the Uk championships and hopefully get noticed.
He sailed though that and went onto GPs were most of the press thought he wasn't worthy due to crashing.
(trying to find speed on a donkey bike)
The media have gone from disliking him to reporting he may be the GOAT.
It doesnt get any better now for Stoner so why should he wait for the inevitable in that the media will want to report something bad again. He's leaving at the top, rich, happy.. Good on him.
I am a massive Rossi fan who felt Stoner was nothing special until he had a decent bike. That first Honda 'Lee' bike must have been poor as we have all seen what he can do on even a mediocre Duke.
The boy is unreal and will be missed (on the track)
He deserves the right to leave due to his initial sacrifices in my mind..
Just so he could join the Uk championships and hopefully get noticed.
He sailed though that and went onto GPs were most of the press thought he wasn't worthy due to crashing.
(trying to find speed on a donkey bike)
The media have gone from disliking him to reporting he may be the GOAT.
It doesnt get any better now for Stoner so why should he wait for the inevitable in that the media will want to report something bad again. He's leaving at the top, rich, happy.. Good on him.
I am a massive Rossi fan who felt Stoner was nothing special until he had a decent bike. That first Honda 'Lee' bike must have been poor as we have all seen what he can do on even a mediocre Duke.
The boy is unreal and will be missed (on the track)
He deserves the right to leave due to his initial sacrifices in my mind..
I don't know what is behind the medical mystery, but if it potentially limits his ability(control) at speed then he is smart to limit exposure to that risk. There is precious little,helmets and leather between racers and fate at this level.
He has been a world champion,made a spectacular come back from lost time, needs not prove anything to anyone.
My opinion,Ed
pennswoodsed said:
I don't know what is behind the medical mystery, but if it potentially limits his ability(control) at speed then he is smart to limit exposure to that risk. There is precious little,helmets and leather between racers and fate at this level.
He has been a world champion,made a spectacular come back from lost time, needs not prove anything to anyone.
My opinion,Ed
What medical mystery???He has been a world champion,made a spectacular come back from lost time, needs not prove anything to anyone.
My opinion,Ed
He missed some races a few years ago due to a lactose intolerance. This has not re-emerged so it's safe to say it is sorted. This year he has suffered from arm pump, which could be operated on should he feels it is continuing to be an issue. Nothing I have read has suggested that this was even a small part of his decision to retire.
AlexKing said:
Maybe I should expand.
An awful lot of people have worked bloody hard and put in a lot of their cash to get him where he is today. It's an absolute kick in the teeth for all those people for him to just chuck in the towel because he's bored of being the quickest guy on two wheels and earning heaps of cash doing it.
What would you have him do, keep going long after he stops enjoying it, just ensure they get their moneys worth? I would suggest that anyone who chipped in time and money to Casey's career has has payback and then some by now.An awful lot of people have worked bloody hard and put in a lot of their cash to get him where he is today. It's an absolute kick in the teeth for all those people for him to just chuck in the towel because he's bored of being the quickest guy on two wheels and earning heaps of cash doing it.
It sounds like you think he owes you something?
Condi said:
Do you watch the same programs as the rest of us? MS is a great person, IMO, and a fantastic talent on the grid.
Off topic, but this is certainly utter balls. He's been punished on several occasions for trying to drive people off the road (Villeneuve, Barrichello), cheating at qualifying in Monaco and, just last weekend, running into the back of someone and then blaming the other guy. That doesn't include the stuff he got away with, like taking out Hill in Australia, knowingly running an illegal launch control system back at Benetton and many other pieces of dubious conduct that I can't immediately recall. He undoubtedly was a great driver, but he never was, and still isn't, a great person.Actually, I take it all back about Casey - compared to MS he's a positive saint. Being surly and "IMO" a little ungrateful is nothing compared to being a nasty, conniving, cheating, stuck up and - above all - dangerous person.
Thank's Condi - you genuinely have given me some perspective here, and I'm happy to retract my original comment about Mr Stoner.
AlexKing said:
...As for the medical condition...
He's lactose intollerant, he said it in the interview."he's not a nice person"? Really, because my brothers met him several times at Sepang and he's always been forthcoming to fans.
just a guess, do you have a yellow46 on the back of your car by any chance?
I'd like to think that he might have 4 wheels in his sights, and while a switch to F1 like Surtees is monumentally unlikely - if he takes to cars he could end up anywhere from Bathurst to LeMans. And how could that be a bad thing... ?
Personally I only need to think of Wayne Rainey and I can happily accept that a man with a family might lose his love to bike racing. Whatever he does: good luck to him, but I do hope that he gives other motorsport options a try...
Personally I only need to think of Wayne Rainey and I can happily accept that a man with a family might lose his love to bike racing. Whatever he does: good luck to him, but I do hope that he gives other motorsport options a try...
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