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graphene
1,043 posts
25 months
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I think you did the right thing by waving. It's polite and signals a thanks to him for his patience. I would have welcomed such a gesture from both the bikers and car drivers in recent weeks that caused be to slow down whilst making their overtakes. He probably had a fright, knew he failed to account for your presence, and reacted in the usual indignant manner - swear mimes.
The letter of the highway code is one thing, but everyone has to cooperate at some point, and expect some flexibility around it, with the odd marginal error that might be caused by this.
Doesn't sound like you were being dangerous or stupid.
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Snowboy
Original Poster
3,499 posts
21 months
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off_again said: Funny, I had this the other day! I was greeted with the sight of an Audi on the other side of the road going up a hill to a blind crest, overtaking a truck! I wasnt going fast and Mr Audi driver made no direct attempt to do anything - it wasnt close or anything, but worrying in the "not my problem" attitude that some drivers have....but I digress... Assuming that it’s not close. Assuming that the Audi driver wasn’t overtaking in a dangerous place*. Assuming he was already overtaking at his best speed. Then what was he supposed to do except complete the overtake? .* You say a blind crest, but on the Fosse Way there are a lot of safe overtaking places which approach blind crests, they just approach for a very long time. If it was a dangerous place to overtake based on the distance to the crest then he’s a cock.
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Apriliaer
612 posts
28 months
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if he had time to sign his displeasure to you then he couldn't have been that put out. Don't worry about it.
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Wedg1e
22,808 posts
135 months
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creampuff said: You need two hands to control a bike under braking. Not with linked brakes 
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p1neil
778 posts
39 months
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Snowboy said: In a simple open hand gesture I was just trying to convey the following.
‘While I know I have done nothing wrong, I realise that my actions have impacted you and I am letting you know I regret that it happened. If we had passed 30 seconds later it wouldn’t have been a problem at all and it’s a shame the circumstance led us to meet like this. Have a nice day’ You forgot 'I apologise for the actions of my country during the war' 
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rsv gone!
10,663 posts
111 months
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creampuff said: When you overtake you need to make sure there is enough clearance for the vehicle around the bend which you can't see yet, as you appreciate. You need to make some assumptions about their speed and saying "I'll allow for 60mph, but if they are doing 70mph that's above the speed limit, so not my problem, guv'" isn't good enough.
OTOH you can't realistically allow for people doing 120mph either or nobody would be able to overtake anywhere.
If you are satisfied that there was enough overtaking margin for a vehicle coming the other way at speed limit + reasonable margin, then you have done what you should have. I did an advanced course run by BiB a while back. Their advice was when judging overtakes, imagine anther 'you' about to come around the next corner.
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y2blade
46,933 posts
85 months
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CBR JGWRR said: I've done worse...
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y2blade
46,933 posts
85 months
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Snowboy said: I’m just wondering what the consensus is from the bikers about a situation.
I was in a car and I overtook another car.
It’s a 60 limit, the slower car was doing 45.
It’s a long straight stretch of road marked for overtaking from my side, as it nears a corner further on a solid line appears marking no overtake.
I pull out, I’m level with the slow car when I see a bike come round the distant corner.
I finish my overtake with plenty of space between myself, the slow car and the bike.
I’m still a long way from the ‘closing’ of the overtaking space.
I overtook at full speed.
The bike was clearly ‘making progress’ and I’m sure he would have had to brake.
As the bike came closer I raised my hand in acknowledgement of the situation, the biker decided to give me some ‘unhappy’ hand signals in return.
Had he been driving at 60mpg he wouldn’t have had to brake at all.
(in fact, he could have been doing 70+ and not had to brake)
I’m just curious as to the opinions of the other bikers on here as to how I or the biker should have acted?
There was no heavy braking from any of the three vehicles mentioned.
There was no screech of tyre or erratic movement. It was in no way dangerous to anyone.
I realise I may need a flame suit here, but I’m interested in opinions. The biker was a t  t. next?
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Mad Jock
807 posts
132 months
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Bikers are no better than car drivers at judging things. We are not all riding gods any more than car drivers are driving gods. Some good, some bad, some indifferent. All of us are capable of making the same errors of judgement, and if we're honest with ourselves, ackowledge the fact when, or if, it occurs.
There have been numerous occasions when I've been faced with an ill timed overtake coming at me, and the first thing I do to avoid any "conflict" is to slow down and move as far to the left as possible. Give the other guy as much room and time as possible. He's human. He's made a mistake.
I've also read somewhere that if you have time to flash your lights, honk your horn or gesticulate at the culprit, then you have time to avoid the collision, and should concentrate all of your efforts to that end.
That being said, if the offending vehicle has crossed a solid white line or started an overtake when I am in clear vision to the driver, then he's not made a mistake, he's a c*ck. He's also a c*ck if he's overtaking on a blind bend. Those are not errors of judgement, they're examples of Darwinian driving skills.
We should also allow for the fact that there are some cretins out there who will speed up as you overtake them, prolonging the manoevre unnecessarily and dangerously. It's not always the overtakers fault that he's been left hanging out to dry on the wrong side of the road.
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J B L
3,053 posts
85 months
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Mad Jock said: We are not all riding gods What!!!? Get out!
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Snowboy
Original Poster
3,499 posts
21 months
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Mad Jock said: We are not all riding gods I thought you were all riding motorbikes?
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y2blade
46,933 posts
85 months
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Snowboy said: Mad Jock said: We are not all riding gods I thought you were all riding motorbikes? 
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