John Cantlie - Sonic from Fast Bikes
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Some of these journos amaze me going to some of the places they do. Risking getting shot close to the front line of some conflict around the world is one thing but going (BACK) to a place where the conflict involves inherent nutters who committ viciously medieval atrocities against prized Western captives, filming it as they do, is just dedication beyond reason.
What bloody good does it do the West to hear & see first hand news reports from such places anyway? I, for one, can live quite happily without seeing piles of rubble that were once thriving cities full of ordinary people living their lives.
Sorry if that sounds like "ivory tower" mentality but I can do sod all about it anyway.
What bloody good does it do the West to hear & see first hand news reports from such places anyway? I, for one, can live quite happily without seeing piles of rubble that were once thriving cities full of ordinary people living their lives.
Sorry if that sounds like "ivory tower" mentality but I can do sod all about it anyway.
RedCitroen said:
So you got back on your bike and he went back to Syria. As we do not know the circumstances surrounding his second kidnapping, we cannot just assume that he wasn't more cautious.
There's a lot more to my examples than just getting back on a bike, so stop being so naive. You're clearly emotionally involved here, so your opinion is going to be biased in his favour. Being cautious would be avoiding going back to the place where got taken hostage and shot. LoonR1 said:
There's a lot more to my examples than just getting back on a bike, so stop being so naive. You're clearly emotionally involved here, so your opinion is going to be biased in his favour. Being cautious would be avoiding going back to the place where got taken hostage and shot.
As I said we don't know the full story of his return to the heart of darkness so we cannot accurately comment on how cautious or not he was. You are simply hypothesizing. Bare in mind this was 2012 and no one was being beheaded. For all we know someone ratted on his location. Nobody was being beheaded in 2012? You might want to check your facts, lunatic terrorists have been decapitating people and other awful murders since time began.
Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets out, but I think if he does he'll go straight back. That's not dedication, it's the sign of someone who has mental health issues.
Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets out, but I think if he does he'll go straight back. That's not dedication, it's the sign of someone who has mental health issues.
RedCitroen said:
As I said we don't know the full story of his return to the heart of darkness so we cannot accurately comment on how cautious or not he was. You are simply hypothesizing. Bare in mind this was 2012 and no one was being beheaded. For all we know someone ratted on his location.
I read he was initially captured then rescued by a desperate Syrian group, they then got fired upon and he was captured again and he was hit in the arm IIRC in his attempts to escape. I feel for him, he's in a bad place and the outlook is bleak. However, there is arguing the risks he took venturing out there (not for the first time) were huge. I really want a happy outcome but I fear he's already marked. f
king savages. s3fella said:
It took him ages to get his bike fixed.
What's rusty, covered in leaves and chained to Archbishop of Canterbury's gates ?Thinking about John the other day,if you think about it, they would actually look very stupid if they killed him. He has made all those videos for them, what is Jihadi John 2, or whatever number we are up to by then, going to say as the reason for it ? He has proved he is not their enemy, it would seem illogical, even by their standards.
LoonR1 said:
Nobody was being beheaded in 2012? You might want to check your facts, lunatic terrorists have been decapitating people and other awful murders since time began.
Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets out, but I think if he does he'll go straight back. That's not dedication, it's the sign of someone who has mental health issues.
As far as I am aware no journalists were being beheaded in 2012. If you know otherwise please share your source and enlighten us all. Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets out, but I think if he does he'll go straight back. That's not dedication, it's the sign of someone who has mental health issues.
RedCitroen said:
As far as I am aware no journalists were being beheaded in 2012. If you know otherwise please share your source and enlighten us all.
You are something special aren't you. Do you think journalists are treated any differently by psychopathic nut jobs. Here's a list that goes back into the 70s showing nutters beheading innocent people all over the worldhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_...
Not visited this thread for a while, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that to go back from somewhere where you have been captured by savages who believe in sky fairies and then managed to escape but to have the rational thought process to think 'oh hang on, I forgot something, I'll just pop back' is fking insane?????
not a lot of sympathy here, once would be enough, twice is just monumentally stupid.
king insane?????not a lot of sympathy here, once would be enough, twice is just monumentally stupid.
LoonR1 said:
You are something special aren't you. Do you think journalists are treated any differently by psychopathic nut jobs. Here's a list that goes back into the 70s showing nutters beheading innocent people all over the world
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_...
You need it spelt out to you? In 2012 it was not public knowledge that journalists were nor would be beheaded simply for reporting from a war zone. If it was I very much doubt John would have returned, so it was not a risk that he could easily factor into his decision at that time. I've no idea why you are trying to come across so aggressively. John is in a dark place and it would do us well to remember this and pray for him. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_...
RedCitroen said:
You need it spelt out to you? In 2012 it was not public knowledge that journalists were nor would be beheaded simply for reporting from a war zone. If it was I very much doubt John would have returned, so it was not a risk that he could easily factor into his decision at that time. I've no idea why you are trying to come across so aggressively. John is in a dark place and it would do us well to remember this and pray for him.
There are several other posters on here who have described his actions in a similar way to me. Whether it was known or not is a moot point. The fact he was kidnapped and shot should've been a big enough warning sign to not go back.
RedCitroen said:
As far as I am aware no journalists were being beheaded in 2012. If you know otherwise please share your source and enlighten us all.
It is pretty ignorant to believe non of this was happening before 2012, a couple of links here which are pretty damn nasty and prove this stuff has been gong on for a long long time, a few journalists, translators and general every day folk going about their business.Torturing, beheading, it's all the same thing to me, downright horrible nasty s
t that most of us try to blank from our minds that it does actually happen.I am with a couple of others in sharing their opinions, what on earth was he thinking, to get out once you have basically been given a chance so don't take the piss and go back there again as that is one of the most ridiculous decisions I have ever heard of.
While I would love to hear of his release or escape, I feel that he is pretty much on borrowed time, whether that be 15 minutes or 15 years, he won't be getting out alive. Plus, no matter what people want, we should not be negotiating with these creatures, that will lead to many many more murders, they cannot be beaten sadly as they are very tough to find and round up.
http://en.rsf.org/somalia-two-more-journalists-kil...
http://en.rsf.org/mexico-woman-newspaper-editor-be...
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/09/26/m...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_I...
Maybe John thought he'd had his shot of bad luck. Maybe John didn't think lightning striked twice. Maybe John was convinced by a rat who promised him safety to return. Maybe John simply needed the cold hard cash. Or maybe John lives off a different level of danger than the rest of us? Whatever, we do not know evenhalf the story for his reasons to risk it all to return, nor do we know anything about his second capture. I heard he went back to thank those who helped free him the first time. A noble gesture that's likely to cost him his life.
RedCitroen said:
Maybe John thought he'd had his shot of bad luck. Maybe John didn't think lightning striked twice. Maybe John was convinced by a rat who promised him safety to return. Maybe John simply needed the cold hard cash. Or maybe John lives off a different level of danger than the rest of us? Whatever, we do not know evenhalf the story for his reasons to risk it all to return, nor do we know anything about his second capture. I heard he went back to thank those who helped free him the first time. A noble gesture that's likely to cost him his life.
Are you his wife? You seem up very emotionally invested in this. Whatever his reasons were, they are not the actions of a rational person. For that reason I have sympathy for him, but reality doesn't change no matter how much people feel for him. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff