S1000RR Question (yea another, sorry!)
Discussion
I've only tested the 2012 model and it was awesome, although i am pretty sure i would have found the earlier model to be equally so. I doubt 99.9999% of normal riders would be able to tell the difference, especially on the road. The gearing change is easy to do but i guess the electronic tweaks are the more serious changes, again however i doubt you will have traction control intervening very often.
I reckon you would need to test the 2 back to back to really tell.
I reckon you would need to test the 2 back to back to really tell.
I am a wuss (that's had a few offs) and it is the nannying aspects that appeal to me. I very much doubt I could tell the differences between the original and the new 2012 model, even back to back, it's not like the original was a crap bike, but as stated always keen to hear others views
I would say you would notice riding them back to back. The most noticable thing on the road is the lightness of the handling on the 12 to the 11. But I have tried a 11 model with a different steering damper/fork adjustment changed and it transformed it.
On a track you'd notice what appears to be similar to a flat spot between 7-9k rpm but then it just takes off (on the 11). The 12 has had a different map and exhaust has been modified to rectify this.
so all in all, on the road yes you'd notice it a little bit, on track more so. Would I buy a cheap 11? You bet! then with the money saved, add an adjustable steering damper and then look at exhaust options....
ETA: if you want anything checked on the one you are looking at, just let me know and i can have a look on our system
PH - It's not what you know.....
On a track you'd notice what appears to be similar to a flat spot between 7-9k rpm but then it just takes off (on the 11). The 12 has had a different map and exhaust has been modified to rectify this.
so all in all, on the road yes you'd notice it a little bit, on track more so. Would I buy a cheap 11? You bet! then with the money saved, add an adjustable steering damper and then look at exhaust options....
ETA: if you want anything checked on the one you are looking at, just let me know and i can have a look on our system
PH - It's not what you know.....Edited by UnluckyTimmeh on Thursday 20th September 14:06
UnluckyTimmeh said:
On a track you'd notice what appears to be similar to a flat spot between 7-9k rpm but then it just takes off (on the 11). The 12 has had a different map and exhaust has been modified to rectify this.
The one I rode seemed flat from 1k-7k too, but I guess that's the price for big HP. The dealer told me the new bike has a much better mid range ?.blade7 said:
The one I rode seemed flat from 1k-7k too, but I guess that's the price for big HP. The dealer told me the new bike has a much better mid range ?.
I've got one of the early 2010 models with the lighter flywheel (I think) and there's no hesitation lowdown at all. Its miles better than any of the R1s I've had There is a small flat spot at mid revs but nothing that's exactly holding the bike back. LoonR1 said:
blade7 said:
The one I rode seemed flat from 1k-7k too, but I guess that's the price for big HP. The dealer told me the new bike has a much better mid range ?.
I've got one of the early 2010 models with the lighter flywheel (I think) and there's no hesitation lowdown at all. Its miles better than any of the R1s I've had There is a small flat spot at mid revs but nothing that's exactly holding the bike back. I wouldn't hesitate to have another one if I could afford to do so at the moment. The handling, brakes and overall power are something else. I've upgraded the suspension on my 2002 GSXR and it's still not even close to feeling as good as the S1000RR. Sad as it is, the one thing that appealed most about all the 2012 changes was the fact you could add heated grips as an option.
Stone Cold said:
Loon, I have on 04 R1 at the moment (which will be traded in if I go ahead) sounds like a no brainer to change?
Change it. I swapped an 07 R1 for this and it's night and day. I've got an 05 R1 for track and much prefer riding the S1000 although the r1 is better set up for track with all the gizmos I've got on it. None of them are ideal road bikes but they're great fun nonetheless.
Stone Cold said:
Steve Evil said:
Sad as it is, the one thing that appealed most about all the 2012 changes was the fact you could add heated grips as an option.
I had my test ride early last Saturday, it was chilly and the heated grips were great, it's an age thing I think 
blade7 said:
UnluckyTimmeh said:
On a track you'd notice what appears to be similar to a flat spot between 7-9k rpm but then it just takes off (on the 11). The 12 has had a different map and exhaust has been modified to rectify this.
The one I rode seemed flat from 1k-7k too, but I guess that's the price for big HP. The dealer told me the new bike has a much better mid range ?.Stone Cold said:
UnluckyTimmeh said:
if you want anything checked on the one you are looking at, just let me know and i can have a look on our system PH - It's not what you know.....
Cheers UT, I dont have the reg yet, but will have at the w/e so will PM you then, I know it came from Park Lane though PH - It's not what you know.....UnluckyTimmeh said:
I can't say i've noticed it being flat from 1k-7k before but I haven't really got anything to compare it to. But it's very different to riding on the road as you're not constantly over say, 6k rpm on the road....
Maybe test a new Blade to compare ?. I didn't think 5 years of BMW development on a K5 made a significantly better road bike, electronics is all I see that have moved on.blade7 said:
Maybe test a new Blade to compare ?. I didn't think 5 years of BMW development on a K5 made a significantly better road bike, electronics is all I see that have moved on.
Ignoring the GSXR comment as its a lot better than Suzuki managed! made a significantly better road bike, electronics is all I see that have moved on.The bike is light years ahead of other current bikes in terms of power, brakes, rider comfort, and ease of use alongside the gizmos. It's not really a road bike, but we like buying them and using them on the road. Show me a litre bike that's been practical since 1995 when compared to more sensible softer options.
Too many are tied to a brand so won't ever see or experience it.
I have had a GSXR 1000 K9 (see the BB crashing thread!) don't like the looks of the new R1 or Blade and the Kwak/RSV are too small for me (I am a lardy 6' 2") the only other one I have tried recently is the RC8R which I didnt really gel with, probably a twin thing though rather than the bike, and I will be honest it is the electronic 'safety' aids that do appeal to me and BN's recent excursion only re-inforces that
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