S1000RR Question (yea another, sorry!)
Discussion
LoonR1 said:
Ignoring the GSXR comment as its a lot better than Suzuki managed!
The bike is light years ahead of other current bikes in terms of power, brakes, rider comfort, and ease of use alongside the gizmos. It's not really a road bike, but we like buying them and using them on the road. Show me a litre bike that's been practical since 1995 when compared to more sensible softer options.
Too many are tied to a brand so won't ever see or experience it.
Perhaps I should have said 5 years of engine development didn't inspire me to buy one. Apparently BMW bought some K5's and pulled them apart to see why it was the best bike at the time, does anyone believe the Japs haven't done exactly the same and couldn't put out a S1000R clone anytime they liked ?.The bike is light years ahead of other current bikes in terms of power, brakes, rider comfort, and ease of use alongside the gizmos. It's not really a road bike, but we like buying them and using them on the road. Show me a litre bike that's been practical since 1995 when compared to more sensible softer options.
Too many are tied to a brand so won't ever see or experience it.
blade7 said:
Perhaps I should have said 5 years of engine development didn't inspire me to buy one. Apparently BMW bought some K5's and pulled them apart to see why it was the best bike at the time, does anyone believe the Japs haven't done exactly the same and couldn't put out a S1000R clone anytime they liked ?.
I don't believe they can. Financial constraints do not exist for the Germans like they do for the Japanese. If they could've done this then they would've.
Stone Cold said:
UnluckyTimmeh said:
if you want anything checked on the one you are looking at, just let me know and i can have a look on our system 
PH - It's not what you know.....
Cheers UT, I dont have the reg yet, but will have at the w/e so will PM you then, I know it came from Park Lane though PH - It's not what you know.....
Stone Cold said:
Stone Cold said:
UnluckyTimmeh said:
if you want anything checked on the one you are looking at, just let me know and i can have a look on our system PH - It's not what you know.....
Cheers UT, I dont have the reg yet, but will have at the w/e so will PM you then, I know it came from Park Lane though PH - It's not what you know.....LoonR1 said:
blade7 said:
Perhaps I should have said 5 years of engine development didn't inspire me to buy one. Apparently BMW bought some K5's and pulled them apart to see why it was the best bike at the time, does anyone believe the Japs haven't done exactly the same and couldn't put out a S1000R clone anytime they liked ?.
I don't believe they can. Financial constraints do not exist for the Germans like they do for the Japanese. If they could've done this then they would've.
all good, top man 
blade7 said:
You dont believe Honda have the resources and capability to make a comparable bike ?.
They do but it will be the top end mega bucks version due to be announced today. They don't seem able to do it on a mass production scale. Why have they let their self appointed crown slip otherwise?
LoonR1 said:
blade7 said:
You dont believe Honda have the resources and capability to make a comparable bike ?.
They do but it will be the top end mega bucks version due to be announced today. They don't seem able to do it on a mass production scale. Why have they let their self appointed crown slip otherwise?
Edited by blade7 on Friday 21st September 11:41
blade7 said:
I understand it's progress but the latest electronically enhanced bikes leave me cold, my ideal would be something like an RC45 enlarged to 1000cc with no toys. When I tested the BMW the dealer wouldn't fit the race plug wotsit, they invited me to ride the 2012 bike recently but still wouldn't fit the plug, if they had maybe I'd have changed my opinion of the bike and bought one.
Are you that good a rider that you need slick mode on the road? Unless you're a pro racer I doubt it. It's even more unnecessary on the road, race mode works fine and doesn't need the plug to activate it.Edited by blade7 on Friday 21st September 11:41
You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
LoonR1 said:
You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
I would go back as far as the early eighties if they priced them the same as then.And there was plenty of 2 strokes about
Them were the days. Electronic aids went as far as a push button start and that was your lot
LoonR1 said:
Are you that good a rider that you need slick mode on the road? Unless you're a pro racer I doubt it. It's even more unnecessary on the road, race mode works fine and doesn't need the plug to activate it.
You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
I could feel it cutting power through 2nd gear corners so maybe I am that good You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
, and if by my day you mean 2006 that's fine by me, sonny.blade7 said:
I could feel it cutting power through 2nd gear corners so maybe I am that good , and if by my day you mean 2006 that's fine by me, sonny.
b, and if by my day you mean 2006 that's fine by me, sonny.
ks you did. Unless you saw a flashing orange light which is hard to miss no matter where you're looking. I look forward to your racing write ups next season.
LoonR1 said:
blade7 said:
I could feel it cutting power through 2nd gear corners so maybe I am that good , and if by my day you mean 2006 that's fine by me, sonny.
b, and if by my day you mean 2006 that's fine by me, sonny.ks you did. Unless you saw a flashing orange light which is hard to miss no matter where you're looking. 
.LoonR1 said:
Are you that good a rider that you need slick mode on the road? Unless you're a pro racer I doubt it. It's even more unnecessary on the road, race mode works fine and doesn't need the plug to activate it.
You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
Which mode turns off the anti wheelie?You're just one of the "it was better in my day" brigade. Why don't you go back to crappy brakes, kickstarts and 1990s tyres too if progress leaves you that cold.
Nothing really to do with 'it was better in my day' - just a control thing for most I would imagine. Saying that we want kickstarts and 90s tyres back is as silly as us saying that advocates of driver aids want a bike that steers and rides itself.
The problem with most 'passive' aids is that they actively intrude when you don't want them to. Some of these can be improved, but ultimately, if you ride or drive in a manner that makes even a well executed system believe you are not riding within its defined envelope - it'll annoy you. You don't really have to be Rossi to notice these effects. They need to be switchable, on the move, not some silly dealer plug.
Honda don't really need to replace the Blade all of the time it's outselling the S1000RR. All of the 1000's seem to be catering to slightly different markets now.
I see it as:
S1000RR - Whizz bang latest, greatest, ultimate, people. People who want electronics.
Blade - Balance, handling, purism, quality.
R1 - Yamaha addicts and people wanting something a bit different but don't want a Ducati.
ZX10R - I struggle to define their buyers these days. Really can't see why you'd buy one over an S1000RR as they are doing the same thing, but the BMW is better in all departments it seems.
GSXR1000 - Chavs, tall people, people on a budget for a new bike, GSXR addicts and people who want a comfortable thou.
Panigale - Ducati people.
RSV4 - similar to R1, but for people who don't like Yamaha.
I haven't tried an S1000RR, but I would like to. The dealers should set the bike in the mode you want though. It's not like an extra 20bhp at the top is going to make people turning up on other fast bikes suddenly kill themselves to death without TC etc.
The way turn off the anti wheelie is not to fit it in the first place. All slick mode does is turn the TC right down. It doesn't alter the performance or the way it's delivered compared to Race mode.
The bike still wheelies and the front readily comes off the ground. It only kicks in when the wheel rises too high for the parameters at which point it kicks in.
Seriously anyone who thinks slick mode will make a difference on the road is dreaming.
The bike still wheelies and the front readily comes off the ground. It only kicks in when the wheel rises too high for the parameters at which point it kicks in.
Seriously anyone who thinks slick mode will make a difference on the road is dreaming.
When I rode the BMW it was in race mode I believe which stopped it picking up the front wheel, right or not I want to stand a bike up in 2nd gear occasionally when there's no danger to anyone else. If that means slick mode so be it, that doesn't make me some frustrated BSB wanabee. If I understood the dealer right the ABS/traction control is either on or off and you couldn't just have the ABS. I could buy the bike without the electronic stuff but the dealer said that would be a problem when I wanted to sell it.
blade7 said:
When I rode the BMW it was in race mode I believe which stopped it picking up the front wheel, right or not I want to stand a bike up in 2nd gear occasionally when there's no danger to anyone else. If that means slick mode so be it, that doesn't make me some frustrated BSB wanabee. If I understood the dealer right the ABS/traction control is either on or off and you couldn't just have the ABS. I could buy the bike without the electronic stuff but the dealer said that would be a problem when I wanted to sell it.
It doesn't stop me lifting the wheel by a foot and nothing kicks in. If it goes any higher then it does. I don't want to wheelie but BN managed to run it at a very high angle for a bit before it kicked in. Resale value might be affected by not having all the gizmos but go you only buy on resale residual? Equally it may actually be better as you avoid the cost upfront too.
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