RE: PH2 ridden: Zero DS

[ZesPak]

Yazza54 said:

y2blade said:

ZesPak said:

andytommo said:

Looks great. There needs to be more electric vehicles on pistonheads.

You waited nearly 10 years, only to propagate electric vehicles?

I feel violated somehow .

I wonder what his other two posts were.

Hopefully something to do with MX5s and going up the oxo tower.

I think the reason we stack up this many posts is because we keep on talking about useless stuff like this

[y2blade]

ZesPak said:

Yazza54 said:

y2blade said:

ZesPak said:

andytommo said:

Looks great. There needs to be more electric vehicles on pistonheads.

You waited nearly 10 years, only to propagate electric vehicles?

I feel violated somehow .

I wonder what his other two posts were.

Hopefully something to do with MX5s and going up the oxo tower.

I think the reason we stack up this many posts is because we keep on talking about useless stuff like this

How rude!

[spareparts]

SpunkyM said:

Mars Rover seems to be doing great on it's nuclear battery. Commute for 10 years on 1 recharge. Problem solved!

And after 10 years, you'll have grown an extra ear

[Wadeski]

Ignoring the standard "ya boo electric" attitude, electric bikes make a lot of sense for commuting.

certainly better than the noisy, dirty two strokes that fill Europe's streets. Jay Leno had a much better experience with his electric bike test.

[btdk5]

13aines said:

If the maths is correct, I'd rather have my old (carb'd) 125 which did 100+mpg on average even when thrashed constantly...

I worked out it was about 6-7p a mile to run fuel wise I think... Know what I would rather commute on.

I don't see this as the future... electric vehicles are merely a fad. Something else will end up being the ultimate solution I believe (and it'll be the fuel companies that dream it up!)

So you'd rather commute on something more expensive that isn't any more powerful and not exactly all that much fun?? Why exactly?

[CBR JGWRR]

btdk5 said:

13aines said:

If the maths is correct, I'd rather have my old (carb'd) 125 which did 100+mpg on average even when thrashed constantly...

I worked out it was about 6-7p a mile to run fuel wise I think... Know what I would rather commute on.

I don't see this as the future... electric vehicles are merely a fad. Something else will end up being the ultimate solution I believe (and it'll be the fuel companies that dream it up!)

So you'd rather commute on something more expensive that isn't any more powerful and not exactly all that much fun?? Why exactly?

Back to front on that. I may constantly bemoan it's lack of speed and it's smallness, but the CBR 125R is a good little bike. It was good enough for kneedown lean angles, and if you completely abused the clutch it would do a little completely safe wheelie, totally unflipable. It was great, you could redline it repeatedly, ride everywhere (And I really do mean everywhere) at 10-11k rpm and it just didn't mind, and refused to do less than 90 mpg.

And as for it costing more...


I miss my little baby CBR...

[ZesPak]

btdk5 said:

So you'd rather commute on something more expensive that isn't any more powerful and not exactly all that much fun?? Why exactly?

He could fill it up whenever and wherever he wants, and go further than 40 miles on a tank?

[Prof Prolapse]

Yazza54 said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Yazza54 said:

I don't really understand why none of them have an alternator to feed back into the battery when the motor is at high enough rpm to drive it.

....erm
perpetual motion, for the win

Haha that's not what I meant, merely something to increase the range.

Yeah, and a wind turbine on the front.

And an electrolysis kit...

[Hellbound]

LiamB said:

Kill it with fire!

We don't need no electric st.

/footnote]

This sort of response will start looking rather silly in the not too distant future.

Given the sort of batteries being tested now, a range of 500 miles is what's being promised and I wouldn't be surprised if we see that within the next 5 - 10 years.

I see a future where every vehicle in London will be electric and you'll only be allowed to cross 'main roads' at designated crossings.

The benefits? Clean lungs!

[Yazza54]

Prof Prolapse said:

Yazza54 said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Yazza54 said:

I don't really understand why none of them have an alternator to feed back into the battery when the motor is at high enough rpm to drive it.

....erm
perpetual motion, for the win

Haha that's not what I meant, merely something to increase the range.

Yeah, and a wind turbine on the front.

And an electrolysis kit...

Ah well theres got to be something they can do. I just don't see how batteries can ever be charged quickly enough to make it a viable option, and batteries in general are just not there yet in terms of size : output as someone on here already mentioned.

[Prof Prolapse]

Whilst it relates to cars, I was at the Tesla "show room" (it only has 2 cars neither are functional) in Santa Monica last month. They had their new sedans in. Really impressive kit. Masses of torque, unique shapes, great use of space, ability to keep the weight nice and low, easy upgrades and very low maintenance. It really was difficult to see how this isn't the future.

I don't know why people are so negative about this stuff, I can only imagine that people are frightened someone will try and take their toys away.

[Prof Prolapse]

Yazza54 said:

Ah well theres got to be something they can do. I just don't see how batteries can ever be charged quickly enough to make it a viable option, and batteries in general are just not there yet in terms of size : output as someone on here already mentioned.

OK just off the top of my head. Battery exchange at charging stations. You come in, you get your battery tested to make sure it's in good order then you get a fully charged replacement to continue your journey.

Not yet no. But enough range for 90% of journeys is fine.

[Pistonwot]

The comedy is how the folks just suck it all up.

1 How very Eco warrior it is to replace petrol with coal. Bravo.

2 I cant wait for Nuclear Reactors to go full on in the UK.
Mainly because they are so environmentally friendly, just like in Russia and Japan.
I for one cant wait to see 3 legged chavs, at least they will be easier for the Police to track when they glow in the dark.

Oh how silly of me, that wont happen because the electricity for these abominations is generated by fu**ing magic,,,,,

Edited by Pistonwot on Monday 26th November 18:50

[CBR JGWRR]

TBF, one was run by commies and the other hit by earthquake and tsunami..

[bass gt3]

So whilst the running cost per mile may seem cheap, discounting the initial purchase price, how long do the batteries last before they have memory effect and hold less and less charge. If they're a readily available cell type, might not be so bad, but if they're bespoke, then what?
I seem to remember something similar about the Nissan leaf or its ilk and the batteries were something like 6000 pounds to replace?? Might of got the number wrong a bit but it was fecking steep.
So what happens when 33 miles range becomes 22 then 11 and it's then 3 grand for new batts? Not so cheap then possibly??

[RumpleFugly]

Having built one of these things to race around the IoM I can attest to the shaky claims of the battery manufacturers!

The rate at which the Chinese are banning IC engined vehicles from major cities means battery technology will hopefully have a huge boost in R&D, meaning cheaper packs and higher energy density. Give it time. The Zero is still a toddler finding its feet.

Electric bikes are genuinely fun to ride and ours sounded like a Tie fighter
Here it was testing at Jurby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woECL7t96aQ&fea...

[Fleegle]

So far performance figures have been given, purchase cost, and an equation of probable cost per mile.
The one thing missing from the last part of that equation is insurance. I'd like to ask an insider what the feel is for electric bikes but unfortunately, because of a sensitive soul that will have to wait. Bearing in mind, if these things catch fire they can't be extinguished easily or quickly, there will be a loading to compensate for this

Really not looking that cheap are they??

[CBR JGWRR]

bass gt3 said:

So whilst the running cost per mile may seem cheap, discounting the initial purchase price, how long do the batteries last before they have memory effect and hold less and less charge. If they're a readily available cell type, might not be so bad, but if they're bespoke, then what?
I seem to remember something similar about the Nissan leaf or its ilk and the batteries were something like 6000 pounds to replace?? Might of got the number wrong a bit but it was fecking steep.
So what happens when 33 miles range becomes 22 then 11 and it's then 3 grand for new batts? Not so cheap then possibly??

IIRC, they are good for a few 1000 charge cycles, but it has been a while...

[13aines]

btdk5 said:

So you'd rather commute on something more expensive that isn't any more powerful and not exactly all that much fun?? Why exactly?

Well, let me think about that! I could fill it up anywhere, and get 200+ miles per tank, for the extreme extra cost of 2p a mile! Also, £1650 to buy with 6k on it, and sold with 9k on it for what I paid, after no maintenance! 125's hold their value very well, and Honda are well know worldwide, easy spares, and known reliability. Also some protection from the elements from the fairings.

No brainer!!! Could buy over 5 second hand low mileage CBR125's for the cost of a Zero DS, that'll need new batteries in 1000 cycles (3 years if used to commute an average distance) and a CG125 would cost even less, and have the same amount of wind protection as the Zero DS.

ZesPak said:

He could fill it up whenever and wherever he wants, and go further than 40 miles on a tank?

Exactly!

[Hooli]

CBR JGWRR said:

bass gt3 said:

So whilst the running cost per mile may seem cheap, discounting the initial purchase price, how long do the batteries last before they have memory effect and hold less and less charge. If they're a readily available cell type, might not be so bad, but if they're bespoke, then what?
I seem to remember something similar about the Nissan leaf or its ilk and the batteries were something like 6000 pounds to replace?? Might of got the number wrong a bit but it was fecking steep.
So what happens when 33 miles range becomes 22 then 11 and it's then 3 grand for new batts? Not so cheap then possibly??

IIRC, they are good for a few 1000 charge cycles, but it has been a while...

So that's 40,000miles then it's fooked. About 1/4 (or less) of the life of any real engine, no thanks.