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Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
LiamB said:
Yazza54 said:
It was a genuine question, I'm not trying to piss on your chips but since you want to take it to a piss taking level to be brutally honest you are coming across as a bit naive.
Sorry mate, didn't meant to piss take. Think of it as a pet name. 
Yazza54 said:
Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
LiamB said:
Yazza54 said:
It was a genuine question, I'm not trying to piss on your chips but since you want to take it to a piss taking level to be brutally honest you are coming across as a bit naive.
Sorry mate, didn't meant to piss take. Think of it as a pet name. 
king joking 
Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
Fleegle said:
Yazza54 said:
LiamB said:
Yazza54 said:
It was a genuine question, I'm not trying to piss on your chips but since you want to take it to a piss taking level to be brutally honest you are coming across as a bit naive.
Sorry mate, didn't meant to piss take. Think of it as a pet name. king joking 
GTIR said:
I've not been on BB for a while and I was reading this thread thinking "Who's this gobby tt?" then I checked it wasn't my own thread first but was dissapointed to see it was young Liam.
What happened?
He used to be nice polite boy now he's being a bit of an arse.
Still polite and stuff. t?" then I checked it wasn't my own thread first but was dissapointed to see it was young Liam. What happened?
He used to be nice polite boy now he's being a bit of an arse.
I sometimes become a bit of an arse. Don't mean it though
LiamB said:
GTIR said:
I've not been on BB for a while and I was reading this thread thinking "Who's this gobby tt?" then I checked it wasn't my own thread first but was dissapointed to see it was young Liam.
What happened?
He used to be nice polite boy now he's being a bit of an arse.
Still polite and stuff. t?" then I checked it wasn't my own thread first but was dissapointed to see it was young Liam. What happened?
He used to be nice polite boy now he's being a bit of an arse.
I sometimes become a bit of an arse. Don't mean it though
You'll have plenty of time when you're our age to be a t
t. The only difference is you can! Liam, I think it's great that you have a firm idea of what you want to do, many people your age don't (I certainly didn't). If you are committed and talented enough then some of your dreams may become reality.
My advice would be to stop spending so much time talking crap on the internet (12 posts a DAY on PH), spend your time applying for jobs, apprenticeships and earning enough money to buy machinery, licences and track time. Almost anything is possible (unless you are really rubbish on a bike, I have no idea). But you need to get off your arse and do something about it.
My advice would be to stop spending so much time talking crap on the internet (12 posts a DAY on PH), spend your time applying for jobs, apprenticeships and earning enough money to buy machinery, licences and track time. Almost anything is possible (unless you are really rubbish on a bike, I have no idea). But you need to get off your arse and do something about it.
MJDM said:
Liam, I think it's great that you have a firm idea of what you want to do, many people your age don't (I certainly didn't). If you are committed and talented enough then some of your dreams may become reality.
My advice would be to stop spending so much time talking crap on the internet (12 posts a DAY on PH), spend your time applying for jobs, apprenticeships and earning enough money to buy machinery, licences and track time. Almost anything is possible (unless you are really rubbish on a bike, I have no idea). But you need to get off your arse and do something about it.
Your post is fair, but partially untrue. My advice would be to stop spending so much time talking crap on the internet (12 posts a DAY on PH), spend your time applying for jobs, apprenticeships and earning enough money to buy machinery, licences and track time. Almost anything is possible (unless you are really rubbish on a bike, I have no idea). But you need to get off your arse and do something about it.
I've had 2 jobs since leaving school, going to college every day (on holidays now mind)
I've had a savings account for 2 years with a fair amount of money in it from working my ass off.
Now I need to move on to my third job as royal mail was only a Christmas temp job.
I'm also going to apply for some voluntary work at some teams to help out for a bit.
I'm coming across as an ass again..
GTIR said:
Mandown46 said:
moanthebairns said:
how much money would it cost just to get on the grid of a race series?
Do you need to buy a bike to take part?Anyhoo. Baby steps etc.
no offense liam
LiamB said:
I'm coming across as an ass again..
Not really, you're just coming across as a teenager so carry on and don't get old and boring before you have to. And as others have said, you dont need to be on the BSB grid to enjoy racing. it can be done on a budget and until you've tried it you wont know how good/bad you are. Stu's multipage post is a great insite into racing and well worth a read.
Andy XRV said:
Not really, you're just coming across as a teenager so carry on and don't get old and boring before you have to.
And as others have said, you dont need to be on the BSB grid to enjoy racing. it can be done on a budget and until you've tried it you wont know how good/bad you are. Stu's multipage post is a great insite into racing and well worth a read.
Would you by any chance have a link to the thread mate? And as others have said, you dont need to be on the BSB grid to enjoy racing. it can be done on a budget and until you've tried it you wont know how good/bad you are. Stu's multipage post is a great insite into racing and well worth a read.
Andy XRV said:
Cheers mate, will give it a read now. I was 25 when i bought my first racing car in 2004 - an £8k and slightly battered caterham to compete in the Caterham Graduates Racing Club (www.graduates.org.uk). I realise this isn't racing bikes, but the same principle applies.
I graduated at 21 and landed a job on £18k. After a few years of relatively nice cars and getting into bikes, i realised i wanted to get on track (probably a similar stage to where you're at now?).
I took out a big loan (£15k ish) to buy the car and get kitted out with a trailer, safety gear, tools, etc. I kept the car at my mum's house because our ex-council terraced house that we'd just bought didn't have a garage (or double glazing, nice furniture, and had a boiler from the 70s). My wife was understanding and didn't mind me chasing my dream.
So, with a big debt hanging over me/us i engaged in a hobby that i thought i could afford.
After 10 races accross 2004 and 2005 i was around £30k in debt. We got engaged and were due to be married at the end of 2006. I had to quit and sell up before we started to get into serious financial problems.
I was then made redundant in 2007. Fortunately i got a better job on more money.
In 2008 i did a few more races because i thought i could afford it, but costs started to ramp up and the thought if impending financial doom meant i sold up again quickly.
In 2010 i did some more races in a more expensive series, plus paid someone else for transport/prep because i thought i could afford it. £10k later i realised i couldn't justify it.
Then we had our first child.
It's only this year that i've felt properly settled financially. I did a full season this year and for the first time i'd say i could just about afford it. I earn good money (40% tax bracket) and my wife also works and earns an average amount. We don't have many holidays (nothing abroad since 2004!) and have a cheap house. I spent £5k this season, which is remarkable for a near full season of motorsport.
So that's my story.
I think i've learnt that unless you're lucky enough to have serious financial backing, motorsport is always going to be a struggle. In your 20s you're trying to carve out a life for yourself (and maybe for your partner too), with kid(s) possibly on the horizon.
I don't regret jumping in with both feet because i have tremendous memories, but it was so sad to have to take time away from racing while i effectively "repaired" the damage that was done.
If i'd waited just a few years i might have been able to get into racing properly and sustainably from the outset rather than dabbling and having a few unsatisfying part-seasons.
I'm taking 2013 away from motorsport so that we can move house. Life has taken priority once again.
If you can do it without taking on debt then go for it. Just don't do anything that will mean having to give it up to put things right!
I graduated at 21 and landed a job on £18k. After a few years of relatively nice cars and getting into bikes, i realised i wanted to get on track (probably a similar stage to where you're at now?).
I took out a big loan (£15k ish) to buy the car and get kitted out with a trailer, safety gear, tools, etc. I kept the car at my mum's house because our ex-council terraced house that we'd just bought didn't have a garage (or double glazing, nice furniture, and had a boiler from the 70s). My wife was understanding and didn't mind me chasing my dream.
So, with a big debt hanging over me/us i engaged in a hobby that i thought i could afford.
After 10 races accross 2004 and 2005 i was around £30k in debt. We got engaged and were due to be married at the end of 2006. I had to quit and sell up before we started to get into serious financial problems.
I was then made redundant in 2007. Fortunately i got a better job on more money.
In 2008 i did a few more races because i thought i could afford it, but costs started to ramp up and the thought if impending financial doom meant i sold up again quickly.
In 2010 i did some more races in a more expensive series, plus paid someone else for transport/prep because i thought i could afford it. £10k later i realised i couldn't justify it.
Then we had our first child.
It's only this year that i've felt properly settled financially. I did a full season this year and for the first time i'd say i could just about afford it. I earn good money (40% tax bracket) and my wife also works and earns an average amount. We don't have many holidays (nothing abroad since 2004!) and have a cheap house. I spent £5k this season, which is remarkable for a near full season of motorsport.
So that's my story.
I think i've learnt that unless you're lucky enough to have serious financial backing, motorsport is always going to be a struggle. In your 20s you're trying to carve out a life for yourself (and maybe for your partner too), with kid(s) possibly on the horizon.
I don't regret jumping in with both feet because i have tremendous memories, but it was so sad to have to take time away from racing while i effectively "repaired" the damage that was done.
If i'd waited just a few years i might have been able to get into racing properly and sustainably from the outset rather than dabbling and having a few unsatisfying part-seasons.
I'm taking 2013 away from motorsport so that we can move house. Life has taken priority once again.
If you can do it without taking on debt then go for it. Just don't do anything that will mean having to give it up to put things right!
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