RE: PH2: Bikers Friend app
Discussion
moanthebairns said:
Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
see what you’ve done, you have allowed a wWhen motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
ker into BB.I’m sick to f
k fed up of the I hate bikers grrrrrr cause there isn’t any aholes in cars response. Or I always wanted a bike but then I realised I don’t have the balls to go on one its much easier to push a pedal whilst being protected by millions worth of steal/aluminum/carbon fibre. Seriously, PH is getting really s
te these days, I hardly ever leave BB. Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
We do accept the risks or we wouldn't do it. When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
It's not us that have made this stupid app. I don't disagree with anything you've said and I am a 'biker'.
You obviously have a pre conceived judgment of bikers mentalities without knowing much about them. And the think bike stuff is not nonsense, plenty of bikers abiding to the rules of the road get knocked off by blokes texting, women doing f
king eyeliner or old dears who haven't got a clue which day of the fking week it is or where they are.
Pothole said:
moanthebairns said:
Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
see what you’ve done, you have allowed a wWhen motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
ker into BB.I’m sick to f
k fed up of the I hate bikers grrrrrr cause there isn’t any aholes in cars response. Or I always wanted a bike but then I realised I don’t have the balls to go on one its much easier to push a pedal whilst being protected by millions worth of steal/aluminum/carbon fibre. Seriously, PH is getting really s
te these days, I hardly ever leave BB. Generally I would think that if you are well enough immediatley after an accident to be wondering how much compensation you can claim, you probably shouldn't be entitled to any........(bar repairs to your bike that is)
This whole compensation culture has gone crazy....if you're injuries genuinely lead to you incurring costs, or loss of earnings, then yes you deserve to be reimbursed....but if you had a bruise, and needed to buy some painkillers from boots.....I don't see how some cash makes that better!
This whole compensation culture has gone crazy....if you're injuries genuinely lead to you incurring costs, or loss of earnings, then yes you deserve to be reimbursed....but if you had a bruise, and needed to buy some painkillers from boots.....I don't see how some cash makes that better!
RemaL said:
Pothole said:
moanthebairns said:
Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
see what you’ve done, you have allowed a wWhen motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
ker into BB.I’m sick to f
k fed up of the I hate bikers grrrrrr cause there isn’t any aholes in cars response. Or I always wanted a bike but then I realised I don’t have the balls to go on one its much easier to push a pedal whilst being protected by millions worth of steal/aluminum/carbon fibre. Seriously, PH is getting really s
te these days, I hardly ever leave BB. smartie93 said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Not sure I agree.
I don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Would this 500% increase then apply to bikers if as in most stories I hear it's their fault?see belowI don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Only yesterday a bike flew past me at easily 100+ (i was doing 66 :P)unless you had a gun on him your guesstimate is invalid on a single carriageway bypass, and guess what he was wearing, a t shirt and jeans. but he's safe though because he was wearing a helmet.shenanigans. In South Wales?
when ever I'm following a bike as soon as the road opens they wind the throttle open, I know someone who crashed trying to slow from 60 in a residential area for a speed camera.
If you chose to make yourself vulnerable and use the public roads as a playground expect to be killed, most people are not giving the road their full attention as driving is just the means by which they get to a destination, no one expects a biker to tear past them at ten tenths.so people DWDCA is ok? I'd wager less than 1% of riders is at anything like ten tenths more than 1% of the time - on what are you basing this assertion?
As for being pulled out on, surely telling bikers to ride with headlights on permanently and wearing bright coloured leathers would be better than telling every one at tea time to "look twice for bikes" ie actually addressing the cause of the problem rather than the consequence aghast. see below
A major work done on this subject in the USA is the Hurt Report, published in 1981 with data collected in Los Angeles and the surrounding rural areas. It found:
- 75% of motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, usually a car.
- In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.
- The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents... Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps-on In daylight I'll give you that, but you must admit that the vast majority of bikers in the UK use daytime headlights already
Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
Well as we're doing sterotypes Mr White shoe clad Essex Boy, read the thread belowhttp://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
Unless you don't drive that much, although I'm sure an budding petrol head would....the standard of driving has diminished greatly in the last 5 years.
I was always taught, mirror, signal, manoeuvre, sadly this doesn't seem to be taught or apply to the majority of drivers anymore. As a high mileage road user >40k pa with the majority being car based now, I see plenty of poor driving, some on bikes, however the majority is from car drivers.
Pothole said:
smartie93 said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Not sure I agree.
I don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Would this 500% increase then apply to bikers if as in most stories I hear it's their fault?see belowI don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Only yesterday a bike flew past me at easily 100+ (i was doing 66 :P)unless you had a gun on him your guesstimate is invalid on a single carriageway bypass, and guess what he was wearing, a t shirt and jeans. but he's safe though because he was wearing a helmet.shenanigans. In South Wales?
when ever I'm following a bike as soon as the road opens they wind the throttle open, I know someone who crashed trying to slow from 60 in a residential area for a speed camera.
If you chose to make yourself vulnerable and use the public roads as a playground expect to be killed, most people are not giving the road their full attention as driving is just the means by which they get to a destination, no one expects a biker to tear past them at ten tenths.so people DWDCA is ok? I'd wager less than 1% of riders is at anything like ten tenths more than 1% of the time - on what are you basing this assertion?
As for being pulled out on, surely telling bikers to ride with headlights on permanently and wearing bright coloured leathers would be better than telling every one at tea time to "look twice for bikes" ie actually addressing the cause of the problem rather than the consequence aghast. see below
A major work done on this subject in the USA is the Hurt Report, published in 1981 with data collected in Los Angeles and the surrounding rural areas. It found:
- 75% of motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, usually a car.
- In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.
- The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents... Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps-on In daylight I'll give you that, but you must admit that the vast majority of bikers in the UK use daytime headlights already
It's probably unworkable for some bureaucratic reason but it strikes me as a good way to penalise those guilty of a SMIDSY, pay out compensation (which is inevitable), and not impact all policy holders.
Edited by Prof Prolapse on Wednesday 13th February 13:54
Prof Prolapse said:
Pothole said:
smartie93 said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Not sure I agree.
I don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Would this 500% increase then apply to bikers if as in most stories I hear it's their fault?see belowI don't really see this like "whipcash". Accidents caused by negligent car drivers are a real problem and if it takes a compensation culture to address this then so be it. The scale of the problem is so big that government is currently spending over a million on their "think biker" campaign, to try and educate the public in the use of their observations. This is a massive proportion of their budget.
Tragically, perhaps it has become necessary to sue (or whatever the term is) car drivers for their negligence. If nothing else to try and bump up their personal premiums as an "education".
To negate shared increases in premium, perhaps insurers could try passing on the costs directly to the at fault claimant? This would be a lesson learned and would warn other motorists to be vigilant. Hit a biker? Enjoy your 500% rise in premium on renewal and keep your eyes open next time. The effect on the wider insured would be, at the very least, limited.
Besides, it's still a good app for reminding people what to do in that scenario to avoid messy complications later on from what I hear.
Only yesterday a bike flew past me at easily 100+ (i was doing 66 :P)unless you had a gun on him your guesstimate is invalid on a single carriageway bypass, and guess what he was wearing, a t shirt and jeans. but he's safe though because he was wearing a helmet.shenanigans. In South Wales?
when ever I'm following a bike as soon as the road opens they wind the throttle open, I know someone who crashed trying to slow from 60 in a residential area for a speed camera.
If you chose to make yourself vulnerable and use the public roads as a playground expect to be killed, most people are not giving the road their full attention as driving is just the means by which they get to a destination, no one expects a biker to tear past them at ten tenths.so people DWDCA is ok? I'd wager less than 1% of riders is at anything like ten tenths more than 1% of the time - on what are you basing this assertion?
As for being pulled out on, surely telling bikers to ride with headlights on permanently and wearing bright coloured leathers would be better than telling every one at tea time to "look twice for bikes" ie actually addressing the cause of the problem rather than the consequence aghast. see below
A major work done on this subject in the USA is the Hurt Report, published in 1981 with data collected in Los Angeles and the surrounding rural areas. It found:
- 75% of motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, usually a car.
- In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.
- The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents... Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps-on In daylight I'll give you that, but you must admit that the vast majority of bikers in the UK use daytime headlights already
It's probably unworkable for some bureaucratic reason but it strikes me as a good way to penalise those guilty of a SMIDSY, pay out compensation (which is inevitable), and not impact all policy holders.
t to stand. Most of the problems on our roads are caused by road users' stty selfish attitudes to one another. Smartie's post is a great illustration of that, imo.
y2blade said:
RemaL said:
Pothole said:
moanthebairns said:
Beanoir said:
oh boo F****** hoo. I'm fed up with hearing the "think bike" nonsense.
When motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
see what you’ve done, you have allowed a wWhen motorcyclists abide to the same road laws as cars then i'll sit up and listen. But for now my feeling on the matter is that if you want to engage in a hobby that is by it's very nature dangerous, then you must accept the risks attached to it.
If motorcycling suddenly became safe, and as a result boring then I guarantee a large number of people riding bikes would probabaly jack it in as the adrenaline buzz had gone.
ker into BB.I’m sick to f
k fed up of the I hate bikers grrrrrr cause there isn’t any aholes in cars response. Or I always wanted a bike but then I realised I don’t have the balls to go on one its much easier to push a pedal whilst being protected by millions worth of steal/aluminum/carbon fibre. Seriously, PH is getting really s
te these days, I hardly ever leave BB. Fleegle said:
I’m gobsmacked
I can’t actually believe PH are promoting this S H I T by giving it a page.
A finger in the air guess, but 75% of PH must absolutely shudder when, and lets not dress this app up, ambulance chasers are mentioned.
Good to see they know their members
I think the fact that it comes under 'PH2' sums up the way PH towers feels about bikers. 2nd class necessary evil.I can’t actually believe PH are promoting this S H I T by giving it a page.
A finger in the air guess, but 75% of PH must absolutely shudder when, and lets not dress this app up, ambulance chasers are mentioned.
Good to see they know their members
Fleegle said:
I’m gobsmacked
I can’t actually believe PH are promoting this S H I T by giving it a page.
We were interested enough in the issues raised to have Jon ring Mr Mahoney up and get his side of the story, though he didn't especially enjoy Jon's line of questioning. I can’t actually believe PH are promoting this S H I T by giving it a page.
I think - hope - it was clear that we have some issues with the whole concept at the core of this app and that came across in the piece. I wanted a balanced story though and left it open for everyone to discuss and make their own conclusions, the verdict of which are pretty damned clear it has to be said!
Wouldn't have wanted to wind out of your sails though, it's a newsworthy topic, worthy of reporting and one everyone has the opportunity to register their distaste for if that's the case. And it's not '2' for second class either; topics raised by this are relevant no matter how many wheels you roll on. Indeed, one of my main motivations for putting it on the homepage was to raise some awareness among the wider PH community.
Just my tuppence worth!
Cheers,
Dan
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