Bargain Crazy Thread

[rat840771]

standard ruck sacks for me are a pain in the arse, i recall one time i zipped up the ruck sack with the zips at the top, due to the wind blast the zips came undone and the contents was somewhere on my 10 mile journey, i also get pissed off with the excess strap whipping up in the wind onto my helmet.

For £13 its a bargain and worth a try

[shielsy]

Berz said:

Ordered! Seems like a bargain.

Still waiting for my thermometer and calipers, really should do something about that!

fk it, you just reminded me about the infamous thermometer and calipers deal.

I'm sure mine with be arriving any day now!

[Jazoli]

supercommuter said:

Keep them coming.....hilarious..

A helmet will protect your head in a crash. A terrible comparison.

I personally would rather not wear a solid hard plastic bag as I don't think it would help in a crash. I am at a fairly higher risk of crashing than most as I commute a lot, so I would rather put it in a top box if the contents of the bag need protecting. Clowns

I think someone else is being the clown, given the choice of hitting the deck from 4ft off the ground at 50mph with a large squishy bag and a hard shell between my back and the road, or just 1.6mm of leather and a bit of foam, I'll take the large squishy bag with a hard shell please

[Prof Prolapse]

Jazoli said:

I think someone else is being the clown, given the choice of hitting the deck from 4ft off the ground at 50mph with a large squishy bag and a hard shell between my back and the road, or just 1.6mm of leather and a bit of foam, I'll take the large squishy bag with a hard shell please

Just for your interest, I read a little of the sadly limited, A&E literature some time ago there was a great deal of interest in spinal injuries during accidents.

Interesting (or at least I think so), when you compared data from stateside, they concluded that even wearing your helmet actually caused notable damage to the thoracic region of the spine. This is of course favourable to smashing your brains out, but highlights the fragility of the back when it moves "unnaturally". In fact, and surprisingly, at the time of my review there was actually no conclusive evidence as to whether or not back protectors are actually of any help at all. Some speculation existed to the opposite.

I know that isn't backpacks, but when you think of the unpredictable, and potentially extreme angles, you're putting on your spine as a result of a rucksack altering your "natural" position (catching on something perhaps?), it's difficult to not be at least open to the idea that there's more to it than simply having a layer between you an the ground. That horrible word "biomechanics", must come into play at some point.

I was due to meet the legendary Dr. John Hinds in Belfast a couple of years ago (the "flying doctor") and I had all these questions posed for him, but sadly he died shortly before our meeting in a motorcycle crash in Dublin. His staff were somewhat distraught.

Just food for thought. I have a Kreiga R35 I wear on long runs, and I have a Dainese Back protector I wear sporadically, so I'm not preaching.

[Jazoli]

Prof Prolapse said:

Just for your interest, I read a little of the sadly limited, A&E literature some time ago there was a great deal of interest in spinal injuries during accidents.

Interesting (or at least I think so), when you compared data from stateside, they concluded that even wearing your helmet actually caused notable damage to the thoracic region of the spine. This is of course favourable to smashing your brains out, but highlights the fragility of the back when it moves "unnaturally". In fact, and surprisingly, at the time of my review there was actually no conclusive evidence as to whether or not back protectors are actually of any help at all. Some speculation existed to the opposite.

I know that isn't backpacks, but when you think of the unpredictable, and potentially extreme angles, you're putting on your spine as a result of a rucksack altering your "natural" position (catching on something perhaps?), it's difficult to not be at least open to the idea that there's more to it than simply having a layer between you an the ground. That horrible word "biomechanics", must come into play at some point.

I was due to meet the legendary Dr. John Hinds in Belfast a couple of years ago (the "flying doctor") and I had all these questions posed for him, but sadly he died shortly before our meeting in a motorcycle crash in Dublin. His staff were somewhat distraught.

Just food for thought. I have a Kreiga R35 I wear on long runs, and I have a Dainese Back protector I wear sporadically, so I'm not preaching.

Thanks Prof, what I do know is that I was very glad I was wearing my back protector when I had my off at Oulton a couple of years back, I hit the ground pretty hard and slid for some distance on my back, whether I'd not have suffered any injuries without one is moot, but I take your point, there are so many variables and things to consider and every accident is different so who knows really.

I have watched most of Doc John's lectures on Youtube just recently and they are very good.

[freddytin]

supercommuter said:

I am not being a clown because I am voicing my opinion. My clown comment was aimed at the piss taking because I don't like the idea of being bent around a hard rucksack. I have had crashes before with rucksacks on and they don't help, I can tell you that as fact.

I will stick with my leathers and back protector for commuting and track days and keep an eye out for that poorly eagle.

Just for balance in this debate...I was dumped off the back of a CB360 , at &0 mph in the third lane of a Motorway wearing a RAF kitbag .... No protective clothing in those days, and all I can say is thank heavens for the kitbag..
No harm whatsoever to myself , and it provided an amusing moment to the biker waiting under a motorway bridge climbing into his waterproofs..

My good friend who was the rider thought the biker on the hard shoulder was perhaps in difficulty and braked accordingly to assist.. Cue the Good Samaritans sliding by on their arses..
No good deed goes unpunished !

Backpack ordered ..A decent deal, Thankyou .

[supercommuter]

freddytin said:

supercommuter said:

I am not being a clown because I am voicing my opinion. My clown comment was aimed at the piss taking because I don't like the idea of being bent around a hard rucksack. I have had crashes before with rucksacks on and they don't help, I can tell you that as fact.

I will stick with my leathers and back protector for commuting and track days and keep an eye out for that poorly eagle.

Just for balance in this debate...I was dumped off the back of a CB360 , at &0 mph in the third lane of a Motorway wearing a RAF kitbag .... No protective clothing in those days, and all I can say is thank heavens for the kitbag..
No harm whatsoever to myself , and it provided an amusing moment to the biker waiting under a motorway bridge climbing into his waterproofs..

My good friend who was the rider thought the biker on the hard shoulder was perhaps in difficulty and braked accordingly to assist.. Cue the Good Samaritans sliding by on their arses..
No good deed goes unpunished !

Backpack ordered ..A decent deal, Thankyou .

Don't get me wrong, I have ordered one as well and use my Kreiga R35 quite a lot. I think a soft impact absorbing kit bag would definitely be beneficial in a crash. But a hard plastic suitcase rucksack thing...not so much.

[Prof Prolapse]

Jazoli said:

Thanks Prof, what I do know is that I was very glad I was wearing my back protector when I had my off at Oulton a couple of years back, I hit the ground pretty hard and slid for some distance on my back, whether I'd not have suffered any injuries without one is moot, but I take your point, there are so many variables and things to consider and every accident is different so who knows really.

I have watched most of Doc John's lectures on Youtube just recently and they are very good.

Agree entirely. It's hard to see how it doesn't help in that scenario.

Even if you make an experiment which actually is reproducible and transparent to settle the matter, like in SHARP testing of helmets, you invite the screeds of the great unwashed arguing your methodology, most having not understood basic scientific principles which guide it, i.e. "Snell is better than SHARP", is the claim, even though Snell refuse to release their methodology, i.e. Snell is not a scientific test as it cannot be scrutinised.

So it's difficult to see how the incentive for manufacturers to bother proving their point... Although CE marking seems to be an increasingly compensating us, and I agree with common sense.

Anyway I'm boring everyone.

[moanthebairns]

you've all put me right off this bag.

[boyse7en]

shielsy said:

fk it, you just reminded me about the infamous thermometer and calipers deal.

I'm sure mine with be arriving any day now!

I got a refund from Amazon a while back.
They were shown as dispatched but never arrived


Bit disappointed really

[Prof Prolapse]

Back on topic, I don't understand why everyone wants the Kreiga R30, everyone on bikes seems to want a waterproof bag but I don't know of any scenario where a waterproof liner and the R35 isn't preferable? (That's why squaddies use them isn't it? Liners that is, not R35s)

I seem to recall the R30's 30 litres includes exterior pockets and dividers vs R35's 35l with only one moveable divider, is significant difference when you're trying to carry a half dozen pair of undercrackers and your Reebok classics.

Kreiga is the shizzle though.

[supercommuter]

Prof Prolapse said:

Back on topic, I don't understand why everyone wants the Kreiga R30, everyone on bikes seems to want a waterproof bag but I don't know of any scenario where a waterproof liner and the R35 isn't preferable? (That's why squaddies use them isn't it? Liners that is, not R35s)

I seem to recall the R30's 30 litres includes exterior pockets and dividers vs R35's 35l with only one moveable divider, is significant difference when you're trying to carry a half dozen pair of undercrackers and your Reebok classics.

Kreiga is the shizzle though.

My R35 takes a while to let water in to be fair. But as you say, I use a liner if I am taking my Laptop or anything that cannot get soggy!

[Mr OCD]

Prof Prolapse said:

Kreiga is the shizzle though.

Agreed. My R25 is now going on 10yrs old and still looks pretty much as new... they are silly money now though. I think I paid £79 for it originally and that was enough for a rucksack! Saying that its pretty much paid for itself given how long it has lasted. Cracking bit of kit.

Not that I ever see it - the Wife stole it off me a couple of years ago.

[shielsy]

£25 for the Halfords 44 piece socket set

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/socke...

Also on the 1/2 incher...

http://www.halfords.com/workshop-tools/tools/socke...

Edited by shielsy on Tuesday 21st March 17:11

[immigrant]

andburg said:

Anyone got one of these or dealt with the company?

https://www.xlmoto.co.uk/xlmoto-slipstream-waterpr...

9.99 is a bit of a steal if it's ok, my axio hardpack has been stolen by my fiancé!

That's an excellent deal even if it only lasts a year or so.

It looks like a copy of the OGIO pack that I have. The top OGIO has a carbon look outer and is expandable, has interior shoe pockets, nice red lining, etc. However, the bottom-rung model is near identical to this one and is probably made in the same factory.

For those who mentioned it, on the OGIO, the part which sits against your back is flexible and padded, not hard like the outer shell.

[moanthebairns]

immigrant said:

andburg said:

Anyone got one of these or dealt with the company?

https://www.xlmoto.co.uk/xlmoto-slipstream-waterpr...

9.99 is a bit of a steal if it's ok, my axio hardpack has been stolen by my fiancé!

That's an excellent deal even if it only lasts a year or so.

It looks like a copy of the OGIO pack that I have. The top OGIO has a carbon look outer and is expandable, has interior shoe pockets, nice red lining, etc. However, the bottom-rung model is near identical to this one and is probably made in the same factory.

For those who mentioned it, on the OGIO, the part which sits against your back is flexible and padded, not hard like the outer shell.

Do you work for Xlmoto or an organised religion. If not, perhaps you should, I was nearly convinced on buying one there on that post alone....

[immigrant]

moanthebairns said:

Do you work for Xlmoto or an organised religion. If not, perhaps you should, I was nearly convinced on buying one there on that post alone....

I wish.

Working in something bike related would be a dream.

[Tall_Paul]

Prof Prolapse said:

Back on topic, I don't understand why everyone wants the Kreiga R30, everyone on bikes seems to want a waterproof bag but I don't know of any scenario where a waterproof liner and the R35 isn't preferable? (That's why squaddies use them isn't it? Liners that is, not R35s)

I seem to recall the R30's 30 litres includes exterior pockets and dividers vs R35's 35l with only one moveable divider, is significant difference when you're trying to carry a half dozen pair of undercrackers and your Reebok classics.

Kreiga is the shizzle though.

The R30 is essentially a US30 roll pack with 2 extra small pockets, I'm pretty sure the main bag is 30l then the small pockets on top. There are no dividers, it's the same white inner bag system as the US packs.

[Prof Prolapse]

Tall_Paul said:

The R30 is essentially a US30 roll pack with 2 extra small pockets, I'm pretty sure the main bag is 30l then the small pockets on top. There are no dividers, it's the same white inner bag system as the US packs.

It really didn't look that way when I had them side by side. The R35 looked much better for storage which is why I bought it.

But I'm open to be wrong about it.

[SteelerSE]

They may have changed it but my R30 is one big white waterproof main section and two smaller external definitely-not-waterproof outer pockets.

I preferred the R35 but not being waterproof was the clincher. Oddly it's not as comfortable now that I have a bike with a more upright riding position. I'm using an Osprey bag instead.