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Bindhya:I understand that you have been charged for VAT.
Me:yes
but motorcycle helmets shouldn't be taxed
Bindhya:Please note that not all helmets are eligible for tax exempts.
Me:hmrc STATES THEY ARE
Motorcycle helmets
How do motorcycle helmets qualify for zero-rating? They are zero-rated when they comply with one of the following standards: • British Standard (BS) 6658:1985 (it will be marked with a British Standard 'kitemark'); or • UNECE Regulation 22.05 (it will be marked with a UN 'E' mark - the first two digits of the approval number will be '05'). However, BS 6658:1985 covers protective helmets for all vehicles. Helmets that comply with that standard which are not motorcycle helmets are standard-rated.
Bindhya:Protective helmets qualify for a VAT rate of 0%, when the following conditions are met:
The articles must be boots or helmets, and
They must be manufactured to the appropriate European or British standard, and
They must bear a mark indicating conformity with those standards, and
They must be for industrial use, and
They must not be supplied to persons for use by their employees.
Me:In the UK VAT is charged at the basic rate (currently 20%) or the zero rate, with a relatively small number of goods and services being charged VAT at a reduced rate of 5%.7
Schedule 8 to the Value Added Tax Act 1994 lists those supplies which are charged the zero rate. Group 16 to the Act deals with certain specified supplies of clothing and footwear: items for young children, protective boots and helmets for industrial use; and, helmets for cyclists & motorcyclists.8
Most zero rates were introduced when VAT itself was introduced in this country on 1 April 1973 – although this did not include the zero rate for bike helmets.9 In his 1974 Budget speech the then Chancellor, Dennis Healey, noted that “many hon. Members, on both sides of the House, have always argued that it is inexcusable to charge VAT on essential aids for the disabled … and on protective clothing, such as miners’ and quarrymen’s helmets and safety boots.” Mr Healey proposed introducing a zero rate on both classes of goods “as soon as possible.”10 The relevant changes to the schedule of zero rates were made by Order.11
In March 2001 a marginal change was made in the coverage of the zero rate for protective helmets, to extend it to cover cycle helmets for adults.12 Helmets for children were already zero-rated under the general provision for zero-rating children’s clothes and shoes. In the November 2000 Pre-Budget Report the Labour Government had announced it would “[remove] VAT from the purchase of cycle helmets with effect from 1 April 2001 to encourage road safety and encourage cycle use,” as part of its wider efforts to promote green travel.13
Guidance on the scope of the zero rate is published online – and this explains how motorcycle helmets may qualify for VAT relief:
you are quoting your terms not the hmrcs
Bindhya:I can understand that hmrcs stated like that.
But as per out policies only if the helmets comes under the above conditions the VAT will be 0%.
Me:you show a breakdown detailing vat
you have charged me vat on top of a product that shouldn't be
this is illegal
failure to return my vat will result in me making a formal complaint and then a complaint to the hmrc via my high priced new York lawyer
I have a invoice which clearly states vat
again this isn't included on helmets
Bindhya:I've checked and see that the helmet is listed under Automotive Parts and Accessories, and it is not listed under Helmets so you will be charged for the VAT.
Me:doesn't matter where it is listed
its a motorcycle helmet
I could put myself on uniform dating as a 6 ft 7 hunky fireman it doesn't make me one
Bindhya:Only if the item is listed under helmets you will not be charged for the VAT.
Me:according to who
so what is it? its a helmet it carries certification to say its a helmet
if you continue with this flimsy excuse I will be forced to take legal action as you're clearly trying to brush me off here.
You're now reconnected with Bindhya.
Me: Motorbikes, Accessories & Parts
›
Protective Clothing
›
Helmets
›
Full Face Helmets
that is the link
that is your link not mines
you are admitting its ppe stating its a helmet
please do not attempt to pull the wool over my eyes with such a flimsy excuse otherwise ill call in the high priced new York lawyer
basically If it is of any use this was their resonse:
Hello,
Further to your chat conversation with my colleague "Suganya" on July 07, 2014, I am updating you through an e-mail.
We have received an update to regard the VAT refund for your order # 205-0841753-910432. The 0% VAT is only for safety helmet items and not for ordinary helmets.
You can check the eligibility from the below link:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.h...
1)The articles must be boots or helmets,
2) They must be manufactured to the appropriate European or British standard,
3) They must bear a mark indicating conformity with those standards,
4) They must be for industrial use,
5) They must not be supplied to persons for use by their employees.
Pedal cycle helmets qualify for a VAT rate of 0% if:
1) The cycle helmet is manufactured to standards which satisfy requirements imposed by the European Community Directive on Personal Protective Equipment (the PPE Directive)
2) It bears a mark indicating conformity with those standards.
Since, your item doesn't come under these categories, it is not eligible for the 0 % VAT.
If we can be of further assistance, you can reply directly to this e-mail. You can reach us by chat or phone from this link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/contact-us
Customer Service can be reached by phone and chat 7 days a week 06.00 to midnight, local UK time.
If you need to call us, we can be reached on Freephone (within the UK) 0800 496 1081. International customers can reach us on +44 207 084 7911.
We look forward to seeing you again soon.
Warmest regards,
Ramakrishnan K.
Which is clearly inaccurate.
Hello,
Further to your chat conversation with my colleague "Suganya" on July 07, 2014, I am updating you through an e-mail.
We have received an update to regard the VAT refund for your order # 205-0841753-910432. The 0% VAT is only for safety helmet items and not for ordinary helmets.
You can check the eligibility from the below link:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.h...
1)The articles must be boots or helmets,
2) They must be manufactured to the appropriate European or British standard,
3) They must bear a mark indicating conformity with those standards,
4) They must be for industrial use,
5) They must not be supplied to persons for use by their employees.
Pedal cycle helmets qualify for a VAT rate of 0% if:
1) The cycle helmet is manufactured to standards which satisfy requirements imposed by the European Community Directive on Personal Protective Equipment (the PPE Directive)
2) It bears a mark indicating conformity with those standards.
Since, your item doesn't come under these categories, it is not eligible for the 0 % VAT.
If we can be of further assistance, you can reply directly to this e-mail. You can reach us by chat or phone from this link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/contact-us
Customer Service can be reached by phone and chat 7 days a week 06.00 to midnight, local UK time.
If you need to call us, we can be reached on Freephone (within the UK) 0800 496 1081. International customers can reach us on +44 207 084 7911.
We look forward to seeing you again soon.
Warmest regards,
Ramakrishnan K.
Which is clearly inaccurate.
http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2920...
Starting on page 2 onwards there are a few people who have successfully claimed a refund.
Starting on page 2 onwards there are a few people who have successfully claimed a refund.
Just to confirm what we already know.
Not sure if relevant, but if the company has however regrouped the product when completing their VAT returns, then it will fall under their radar. This is not allowed, but again can fall under their radar.
HMRC said:
3.1 How do motorcycle helmets qualify for zero-rating?
They are zero-rated when they comply with one of the following standards:
British Standard (BS) 6658:1985 (it will be marked with a British Standard 'kitemark'); or
UNECE Regulation 22.05 (it will be marked with a UN 'E' mark - the first two digits of the approval number will be '05').
However, BS 6658:1985 covers protective helmets for all vehicles. Helmets that comply with that standard which are not motorcycle helmets are standard-rated.
Just spoke my accountant. She says that if it is VAT exempt then we have to pursue with HMRC. They do not have to pursue the matter, so more the merrier, if they are to investigate.They are zero-rated when they comply with one of the following standards:
British Standard (BS) 6658:1985 (it will be marked with a British Standard 'kitemark'); or
UNECE Regulation 22.05 (it will be marked with a UN 'E' mark - the first two digits of the approval number will be '05').
However, BS 6658:1985 covers protective helmets for all vehicles. Helmets that comply with that standard which are not motorcycle helmets are standard-rated.
Not sure if relevant, but if the company has however regrouped the product when completing their VAT returns, then it will fall under their radar. This is not allowed, but again can fall under their radar.
rat840771 said:
damn I just bought a sj4000. Should be ok for the money. also 3 year warranty!
moanthebairns said:
rat840771 said:
damn I just bought a sj4000. Should be ok for the money. also 3 year warranty!
rat840771 said:
moanthebairns said:
rat840771 said:
damn I just bought a sj4000. Should be ok for the money. also 3 year warranty!
don't know, not got it yet, ill need to try it out.
only thing with the aldi one is spares might be hard to get, the battery time on these cameras will be about 70 minutes, so if you wanted a spare etc then might be hard to get.
how did you find it, its not coming up in the special buy bits only your link. Are you sure its not discontinued
rat840771 said:
i went into Aldi and there was one left for £44 but i resisted.
I am looking at a few HD ghosts on ebay so i will see.
If your looking for a decent deal on the drift cameras, I got mine new at a round of bsb. They do 10% off and you can haggle with them and get a few bits thrown in for free. I got a spare battery and 32gb memory card thrown in.I am looking at a few HD ghosts on ebay so i will see.
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