Any fast bikes wanting to take on supercars?

[LoonR1]

fergus said:

What about the launch, or would you rely on software? There is a lot of skill in a non LC assisted take off.

Not really. As soon as it's rolling just pin it.

[Peterrim]

LoonR1 said:

No it's not balls. I can twist the throttle on my bike and pin it in 1st, 2nd and 3rd with ease in a straight line, he other gears are not done, as I don't fancy that on the road. I might not wring that extra 2mph at the top end, but so what? If I go on a diet and lose a stone or two, I'll repeat the exercise and find that 2mph.

Complete and utter waste of time IMO.

There is absolutely no skill at all in pinning a roadbike through the gears in a straight line until you get to the very top end and then it's only about holding on.

Try any of that on my bike and it'll put you on your arse

And I'm bottom of the Phil - Zedhead - Pete performance tree

[Gary11]

996 sps said:

Honestly you do sound a tad clueless.

Yes I don't confess to know it all however I only base my posts on things I've seen or done myself so whatever you think is fine with me.

Edited by Gary11 on Thursday 25th April 19:57

[LoonR1]

Peterrim said:

Try any of that on my bike and it'll put you on your arse

And I'm bottom of the Phil - Zedhead - Pete performance tree

Oh, well how come I don't fall off when I do it then?

[moto_traxport]

LoonR1 said:

Peterrim said:

Try any of that on my bike and it'll put you on your arse

And I'm bottom of the Phil - Zedhead - Pete performance tree

Oh, well how come I don't fall off when I do it then?

Because your bike isn't particularly powerful in comparison, maybe. It's been developed for the mass market and is highly user friendly. It also probably helps that you is an old misery that doesn't (and have probably never needed or wanted to) launch a 1000cc bike to the fullness of its capabilities.

Just saying like.

[R1gtr]

Ffs I was enjoying this thread but it has turned into a big Willy waving contest already.
As always Loon ends up being the bad guy, he was just being honest,on a standard production car or bike any body can get the maximum out of it on a long enough track.

On a modified car or bike it will be a bit trickier but a few are implying it takes huge balls, I dont believe that, hustling a sports bike down country roads takes balls,

Back on topic, good luck to all participating, have fun, the day may throw up some surprises but I am sure the age old stty argument 'which is faster?' will rage on and on.

[moto_traxport]

No. Loon is being his normal grumpy self poking people who do something properly - "easy innit!" type stuff. Most have no idea how to start a bike as fast it can (I don't and I've club raced successfully). It's mostly irrelevant but it might not be so here.

[LoonR1]

Ok, before this goes off on one, ket's clear this up.

The thread started out with a request for bikes to take on "supercars", he OP has now edited his post so I can't quote it.

Now I assumed that meant a load of fancy cars, Ferraris, 911 Turbos and some real exotica but road legal production cars all up against some production and road legal bikes. It then turned into a super dooper dragsters vs dragbikes thread.

So lets be clear on this. Driving a road legal production car flat out in a straight ine is about as skillful as walking, doing the same on a road legal bike is a bit more tricky, but hardly rocket science until the wind buffetting gets a bit too much.

Now I'm sure the guys who've spent £x00,000s on the cars / bikes to make them ridiculusly fast in a straight line have to apply some skill to do it, but to me it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. That's all.

[Biker's Nemesis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd9CxIlkjpk

[Phil610]

Thing is with any sport, its only interesting if you're interested. Yes its easy to hold the throttle open on a long straight. Add to that a fixed start point and say a finish point of 1/4, 1/2 or 1 mile away and then try it. (I appreciate it doesnt interest Mr Loon) Thats the easy bit, now try it again because you know you can go faster if you try a bit harder. ooo the front wheel is up a touch but your sure you can go faster. That is where the skill of a good practiced rider surpasses that of just a good rider. I'm not professing to be anything at all but I can get a bike to shift along from a standstill. An example of this was at Elvington a few years back, I mentioned in an earlier post that my stock busa went through the mile at 189mph, the others stock busas were around the 178- 182mph mark. Why? because the riders were not attacking the launch hard enough. Even though my stocker would have a slower out right top speed a hard enough launch may just get enough distance between it and the car to just pip it to the line one mile away. At Ten of the Best some of the cars are awesome the way they dig in and gain speed.
As I say if this sort of thing hold an interest for you, I'm sure it will be a fantastic day for those that are lucky enough to go along. For those that have no interest, well, I don't suppose your going to be missing much.

[Alonso92]

LoonR1 said:

Ok, before this goes off on one, ket's clear this up.

The thread started out with a request for bikes to take on "supercars", he OP has now edited his post so I can't quote it.

Now I assumed that meant a load of fancy cars, Ferraris, 911 Turbos and some real exotica but road legal production cars all up against some production and road legal bikes. It then turned into a super dooper dragsters vs dragbikes thread.

So lets be clear on this. Driving a road legal production car flat out in a straight ine is about as skillful as walking, doing the same on a road legal bike is a bit more tricky, but hardly rocket science until the wind buffetting gets a bit too much.

Now I'm sure the guys who've spent £x00,000s on the cars / bikes to make them ridiculusly fast in a straight line have to apply some skill to do it, but to me it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. That's all.

Amen

[legzr1]

LoonR1 said:

Ok, before this goes off on one, ket's clear this up.

The thread started out with a request for bikes to take on "supercars", he OP has now edited his post so I can't quote it.

Now I assumed that meant a load of fancy cars, Ferraris, 911 Turbos and some real exotica but road legal production cars all up against some production and road legal bikes. It then turned into a super dooper dragsters vs dragbikes thread.

So lets be clear on this. Driving a road legal production car flat out in a straight ine is about as skillful as walking, doing the same on a road legal bike is a bit more tricky, but hardly rocket science until the wind buffetting gets a bit too much.

Now I'm sure the guys who've spent £x00,000s on the cars / bikes to make them ridiculusly fast in a straight line have to apply some skill to do it, but to me it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. That's all.

Amen +2

[bennyboysvuk]

spareparts said:

Is the new Fezza that slow? My Beetle stands a chance then! Re the bike, my 1098R struggles to keep the front on the floor under WOT in any of the first 4 gears - no way can it keep up -off the line-. A superbike only stands a chance if they were doing roll-on 30-150mph drags...

Hang on a sec, your 1098R struggles to keep the front on the floor in 4th gear? Is that on the flat or slightly uphill with crests?

[StuB]

Biker's Nemesis said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd9CxIlkjpk

Wow, just, wow.

[spareparts]

bennyboysvuk said:

Hang on a sec, your 1098R struggles to keep the front on the floor in 4th gear? Is that on the flat or slightly uphill with crests?

Depending on rpm, the front will lift in 4th under WOT. But by this time, it is easy to keep the front down with body positioning. Definitely more of an issue in the first 3 gears.

[srob]

LoonR1 said:

Ok, before this goes off on one, ket's clear this up.

The thread started out with a request for bikes to take on "supercars", he OP has now edited his post so I can't quote it.

Now I assumed that meant a load of fancy cars, Ferraris, 911 Turbos and some real exotica but road legal production cars all up against some production and road legal bikes. It then turned into a super dooper dragsters vs dragbikes thread.

So lets be clear on this. Driving a road legal production car flat out in a straight ine is about as skillful as walking, doing the same on a road legal bike is a bit more tricky, but hardly rocket science until the wind buffetting gets a bit too much.

Now I'm sure the guys who've spent £x00,000s on the cars / bikes to make them ridiculusly fast in a straight line have to apply some skill to do it, but to me it's about as interesting as watching paint dry. That's all.

Thing is, on the second page of the thread it was stated that this wasn't going to be standard prodcution cars!

A4B said:

Unfortunately no Veyron

A4B said:

Certainly something we can organise in the future, we do have 2-3 Veyrons in the club.

Several other 1000+ bhp cars coming/running, as well as various Supercars.

Loon, I know that you know about cars, so I know that you'll know there are no other proper 1000+bhp 'production' cars!

It's ironic really, a thread about going in a straight line is going round and round in circles

[bennyboysvuk]

LoonR1 said:

So lets be clear on this. Driving a road legal production car flat out in a straight ine is about as skillful as walking, doing the same on a road legal bike is a bit more tricky, but hardly rocket science until the wind buffetting gets a bit too much.

I agree if we're talking about the latest greatest supercars. Here's Chris Harris drinking a bottle of coke, whilst accelerating very hard, in the wet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnDdeYEtu6s

It takes a damn sight more skill and balls to drop the clutch at 9,000 rpm on a superbike. I agree that once into 3rd it's child's play, on the basis that the front will still lift on its own at the top of 2nd and some back brake feathering might be needed to keep it down.

[LoonR1]

srob said:

Loon, I know that you know about cars, so I know that you'll know there are no other proper 1000+bhp 'production' cars!

It's ironic really, a thread about going in a straight line is going round and round in circles

I think we're both right. It started out as a "super car" description with hopes of a Veyron. Moved to " a few 1000+BHP cars and some super cars" into an out and out dragster thread.

Part of me thinks this was designed as a "lets sucker some bikers into turning up on a standard bike then blow them away" thread.

[StuB]

LoonR1 said:

I think we're both right. It started out as a "super car" description with hopes of a Veyron. Moved to " a few 1000+BHP cars and some super cars" into an out and out dragster thread.

Part of me thinks this was designed as a "lets sucker some bikers into turning up on a standard bike then blow them away" thread.

No, Adam, the OP, is a very nice chap, runs a popular website for Supercar owning enthusiasts (that drive them).

I believe SCD were invited by GTROC to this event and were also asked to get some bikes as a benchmark for 'quick'. I presume some sooooooped up Jap metal will either explode or wipe the floor with most other stuff.

It's a fun event and probably raising funds for charity. It's also important that it's safe, so definitely not a RWYB.

So many conspiracy theories, so little paranoia.....

SROB

[liner33]

Phil610 said:

Some mph figures from my bike. 0-60=1.4seconds, 0-100=2.8 seconds, 0-200=7.6 seconds. The bike has been down the 900meter straight at Snetterton at 203.9mph from a standing start. BSB's on the day were comming off the bend onto the straight at 70-80, the fastest one reaching 177mph. The bike has had the front wheel off the floor at over 220mph with the back tyre spinning out. They are a handfull to ride hard but produce the finest adrenaline for that fix few ever get the chance to experience.
The day looks to be fantastic for those lucky enough to be there. There is always going to be an element of who or what is ultimatly the quickest but there will always be ultimate respect between competitors as they are the only people that know just what is involved.

Have you done 200mph in the 1/4 then Phil?