Mito 443 Project
Discussion
bass gt3 said:
What's stopping you hooking up the Ignitec??
Or does wiring give you the heebees? ?
It's just easier getting the fella who's dynoing and setup to do that, he's done loads, has good base maps etc. There's some rewiring of the stator involved too for the ignitech on this particular engine.. I get the impression that when working it's arguably better than a zeel but not quite as easy to fit! So he can do it Or does wiring give you the heebees? ?
he also has them in stock, I haven't bought one yet... I was initially going to give it him to fit and get started for the first time to run in on the dyno, But thinking about it I don't like the idea of taking a bike that hasn't even run to someone. Could look like a total cock if we have to spend a day finding and rectifying daft problems that could've been sorted if I got it running at home first.
Yazza54 said:
It's just easier getting the fella who's dynoing and setup to do that, he's done loads, has good base maps etc. There's some rewiring of the stator involved too for the ignitech on this particular engine.. I get the impression that when working it's arguably better than a zeel but not quite as easy to fit! So he can do it he also has them in stock, I haven't bought one yet...
I was initially going to give it him to fit and get started for the first time to run in on the dyno, But thinking about it I don't like the idea of taking a bike that hasn't even run to someone. Could look like a total cock if we have to spend a day finding and rectifying daft problems that could've been sorted if I got it running at home first.
Good thinking he also has them in stock, I haven't bought one yet... I was initially going to give it him to fit and get started for the first time to run in on the dyno, But thinking about it I don't like the idea of taking a bike that hasn't even run to someone. Could look like a total cock if we have to spend a day finding and rectifying daft problems that could've been sorted if I got it running at home first.
Yazza54 said:
It's just easier getting the fella who's dynoing and setup to do that, he's done loads, has good base maps etc. There's some rewiring of the stator involved too for the ignitech on this particular engine.. I get the impression that when working it's arguably better than a zeel but not quite as easy to fit! So he can do it he also has them in stock, I haven't bought one yet...
I was initially going to give it him to fit and get started for the first time to run in on the dyno, But thinking about it I don't like the idea of taking a bike that hasn't even run to someone. Could look like a total cock if we have to spend a day finding and rectifying daft problems that could've been sorted if I got it running at home first.
True. It'd definitely be better to get her running on a standard cdi just for your peace of mind. he also has them in stock, I haven't bought one yet... I was initially going to give it him to fit and get started for the first time to run in on the dyno, But thinking about it I don't like the idea of taking a bike that hasn't even run to someone. Could look like a total cock if we have to spend a day finding and rectifying daft problems that could've been sorted if I got it running at home first.
As for the difference between zeel and ignitec, not sure hpw one can be arguably better considering the constraints they have to work within.
My worry with Ignitec was a reported lack of back up and support from the manufacturer as well as vague or confusing installation details. The zeel was a snap to install ran like a champ from the off. The added bonus wasmit includes the power valve controller in the single box. And Borut, the zeel boss has been superb in back up and repairs
Yeah there seems to be a 50:50 split, some swear by ignitech and some by zeel.
For me it makes sense to go with what the guy who's done them both recommends. He can and would do either or, but recommended the ignitech. But I dare say a zeel would work exactly the same.
He's probably recommended it because he has maps that will be close already for an ignitech, which is good for me as it's less time on a dyno.
For me it makes sense to go with what the guy who's done them both recommends. He can and would do either or, but recommended the ignitech. But I dare say a zeel would work exactly the same.
He's probably recommended it because he has maps that will be close already for an ignitech, which is good for me as it's less time on a dyno.
Edited by Yazza54 on Tuesday 28th April 22:39
It's alive
I've been absolutely s
tting it all day, thinking what could go wrong or how much of an ordeal it may be getting it going.
Couldn't have asked for better, it fires up, sounds and feels mega crisp and smooth, idles nice and everything. Absolutely made up.
Stupidly threw new carbs on not thinking and it didn't want to catch..finally it clicked... I checked the carbs and slides were totally closed, turned the idle screws in a bit, and first kick it fired. I Pre jetted the carbs to a base setting but didn't think to play with the idle. It runs brill.
Borrowed a standard CDI off a fella on the RDLC Forum and bought a new yammy loom, got a little lithium battery on it, all the wiring needs a tidy but I know what's what now.
https://youtu.be/5yhhga2WSmg
I've been absolutely s
tting it all day, thinking what could go wrong or how much of an ordeal it may be getting it going.Couldn't have asked for better, it fires up, sounds and feels mega crisp and smooth, idles nice and everything. Absolutely made up.
Stupidly threw new carbs on not thinking and it didn't want to catch..finally it clicked... I checked the carbs and slides were totally closed, turned the idle screws in a bit, and first kick it fired. I Pre jetted the carbs to a base setting but didn't think to play with the idle. It runs brill.
Borrowed a standard CDI off a fella on the RDLC Forum and bought a new yammy loom, got a little lithium battery on it, all the wiring needs a tidy but I know what's what now.
https://youtu.be/5yhhga2WSmg
Thanks mate, should only get better. At the moment it's got 30:1 premix in the tank and also the pump just running on idle so I could let it bleed up etc.. So it's pretty rich at the mo. Need to get a proper throttle cable sorted with the pump cable on and a custom splitter as the standard one only opens my carbs half way 
Yazza54 said:
It's alive
I've been absolutely stting it all day, thinking what could go wrong or how much of an ordeal it may be getting it going.
Couldn't have asked for better, it fires up, sounds and feels mega crisp and smooth, idles nice and everything. Absolutely made up.
Stupidly threw new carbs on not thinking and it didn't want to catch..finally it clicked... I checked the carbs and slides were totally closed, turned the idle screws in a bit, and first kick it fired. I Pre jetted the carbs to a base setting but didn't think to play with the idle. It runs brill.
Borrowed a standard CDI off a fella on the RDLC Forum and bought a new yammy loom, got a little lithium battery on it, all the wiring needs a tidy but I know what's what now.
https://youtu.be/5yhhga2WSmg
Good stuff chief I've been absolutely s
tting it all day, thinking what could go wrong or how much of an ordeal it may be getting it going.Couldn't have asked for better, it fires up, sounds and feels mega crisp and smooth, idles nice and everything. Absolutely made up.
Stupidly threw new carbs on not thinking and it didn't want to catch..finally it clicked... I checked the carbs and slides were totally closed, turned the idle screws in a bit, and first kick it fired. I Pre jetted the carbs to a base setting but didn't think to play with the idle. It runs brill.
Borrowed a standard CDI off a fella on the RDLC Forum and bought a new yammy loom, got a little lithium battery on it, all the wiring needs a tidy but I know what's what now.
https://youtu.be/5yhhga2WSmg
I can smell it from here
Yazza54 said:
At the moment it's got 30:1 premix in the tank and also the pump just running on idle so I could let it bleed up etc.. So it's pretty rich at the mo.
Actually bud, if you're running a 30:1 premix AND you've got the oil pump ticking over, you'll be running lean unless you've fitted bigger jets to compensate. More oil = less fuel. Just take care 
I know, I know, the pump is doing next to nothing at the moment though. And the jetting is just good enough to get it running so who's to say what's right or wrong anyway. I just wanted to get it running.
I popped the pipes off the pump when I finished tonight and the oil has barely found it's way to the carbs yet, never knew they took so long to bleed up but apparently they do. I meant rich with oil so will be better once it's actually running the right mixture just poor wording on my part. Although having now checked the pipes I don't think it was doing anything anyway. Needs bleeding up proper.
I popped the pipes off the pump when I finished tonight and the oil has barely found it's way to the carbs yet, never knew they took so long to bleed up but apparently they do. I meant rich with oil so will be better once it's actually running the right mixture just poor wording on my part. Although having now checked the pipes I don't think it was doing anything anyway. Needs bleeding up proper.
Edited by Yazza54 on Sunday 3rd May 22:47
Indeed it does. On the RS we're running clear tube so you can see it running. If possible, run the pump separately from the engine. The RS can be run on an electric drill.
And make sure you're running a pump compatible oil, such as Motul 710 rather than premix only stuff like Motul 800. Sadly the really top quality oils are usually premix only and are far to viscous for a pump. not wanting to teach you to suck eggs but it'd be heart breaking to forget something like this and undo all your hard work
And make sure you're running a pump compatible oil, such as Motul 710 rather than premix only stuff like Motul 800. Sadly the really top quality oils are usually premix only and are far to viscous for a pump. not wanting to teach you to suck eggs but it'd be heart breaking to forget something like this and undo all your hard work
Yazza54 said:
The oil I've got is labelled as OK for premix & injector, just need to be more patient I think!!
Cool. Try pre-charging the pipes with oil from a syringe rather than wait for the pump to fill the pipes. That's why clear pipes are handy to check that it's flowing ok.
Also, wire the pump fully open so it's pumping at max even at tickover. Once it's through you're set
Did a few bits over the weekend
Mount for RG500 oil tank
Battery box & lithium battery
Majority wired up, need to do the ignition key wiring next. There's a fair bit of wiring I need to tape up/hide, as I've used a full RD loom and whilst at the moment I don't have plans to fit lights it would be daft to cut all that wiring out. Regulator and fuse box etc mounted up.
Oil pump is bled up and working nicely
Rsv carbon mudguard and nice bolts
Adjusted up and finished gear linkage
Had to extend the loom for the coils and mount them up, earth the engine etc. Now that's all done I still need to get throttle cables made.
Mount for RG500 oil tank
Battery box & lithium battery
Majority wired up, need to do the ignition key wiring next. There's a fair bit of wiring I need to tape up/hide, as I've used a full RD loom and whilst at the moment I don't have plans to fit lights it would be daft to cut all that wiring out. Regulator and fuse box etc mounted up.
Oil pump is bled up and working nicely
Rsv carbon mudguard and nice bolts
Adjusted up and finished gear linkage
Had to extend the loom for the coils and mount them up, earth the engine etc. Now that's all done I still need to get throttle cables made.
Edited by Yazza54 on Wednesday 13th May 08:05
Been quiet but done quite a lot lately albeit not stuff that is mega exciting to take pics of
Wiring is now complete, fitted ignitech mappable ignition and wired the aprilia ignition key up to the Yamaha loom, killswitch wired into the ignitech too.
Bled brakes up finally and had to modify rear caliper mount as it turned out my brakes were binding once I'd given the rear caliper a pump, nice and free now.
Riveted chain up and torqued up front sprocket, swinger bolt, head bearings.
Got my quick action Domino throttle and a stload of inner & outer cables, brass nipples etc from venhill and set about making cables this weekend. Turned out quite well.. so today is the first time I ran it up with no premix. Fitted clear lines on the pump and watched it pump back up to the carbs. drained the tank of premix and chucked a gallon of petrol in and runs nice. Big step forward as I could actually ride it round the block now if I wanted.
Little vid, its probably run about 8 times since the first run video now, not really run in but done plenty of heat cycles so not too afraid to give it a bit more of a blip without going too mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T13FXKrhc6g&fe...
Next I need to get fairings and a dash fitted.
Wiring is now complete, fitted ignitech mappable ignition and wired the aprilia ignition key up to the Yamaha loom, killswitch wired into the ignitech too.
Bled brakes up finally and had to modify rear caliper mount as it turned out my brakes were binding once I'd given the rear caliper a pump, nice and free now.
Riveted chain up and torqued up front sprocket, swinger bolt, head bearings.
Got my quick action Domino throttle and a s
tload of inner & outer cables, brass nipples etc from venhill and set about making cables this weekend. Turned out quite well.. so today is the first time I ran it up with no premix. Fitted clear lines on the pump and watched it pump back up to the carbs. drained the tank of premix and chucked a gallon of petrol in and runs nice. Big step forward as I could actually ride it round the block now if I wanted.Little vid, its probably run about 8 times since the first run video now, not really run in but done plenty of heat cycles so not too afraid to give it a bit more of a blip without going too mad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T13FXKrhc6g&fe...
Next I need to get fairings and a dash fitted.
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