Racing Silly Season - Who is going where in 2014?
Discussion
LoonR1 said:
Distinct possibility that one rider's nose is going to be seriously put out of joint with the return of Hopkins to BSB with Halsall Suzuki.
Iddon? Is it really worth hopkins coming back on the suzuki, it's going to be even more off the pace this year with the new r1 and the bmw's knocking around.
I guess money talks and if you go to each team and say i can bring x amount you can only go to the team that takes your offer.
LoonR1 said:
It's all rumours at the moment. As someone pointed out earlierHopkins had no Monster clothing on, so tht gravy train might not be there anymore. That was the money he'd bring, so maybe it's more relationship based.
They could always run three bikes I suppose.
He must have a few quid squirreled away.They could always run three bikes I suppose.
Be a shame if he can't get on something more competitive if this is going to be his last season and he wants to go out with a bang.
Wonder if honda are having 2nd thoughts re tinmouth or maybe Lloyds ducati think he's worth gambling a 2nd bike on.
LoonR1 said:
Why would Honda be rethinking Jenny Tinmouth? She deserves that ride more than anyone and its a third bike. Sorry but this constant questioning of her really pisses me off.
She doesn't though does she? Yes she's talented, yes she's worked hard to get where she is, but I would put money on that she won't score a single point this season. She would be better going in Supersport or stock 1000. LoonR1 said:
Why would Honda be rethinking Jenny Tinmouth? She deserves that ride more than anyone and its a third bike. Sorry but this constant questioning of her really pisses me off.
I would love to her to seize this opportunity as much as you, however i bet most team managers are having a think re there rider roster and if there able to shuffle hopkins in.I think this year is going to be a bit of a game changer with younger riders giving the elder statesmen a run for the title.
George29 said:
She doesn't though does she? Yes she's talented, yes she's worked hard to get where she is, but I would put money on that she won't score a single point this season. She would be better going in Supersport or stock 1000.
That's b
ks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break. I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
LoonR1 said:
George29 said:
She doesn't though does she? Yes she's talented, yes she's worked hard to get where she is, but I would put money on that she won't score a single point this season. She would be better going in Supersport or stock 1000.
That's bks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break. I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
Whatever we think she's got the honda seat it's up to her to make the most of the opportunity.
LoonR1 said:
That's bks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break.
I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
The only reason she's in the team is for press coverage. You won't even see her on the tv come race day, except maybe when she's being lapped. Don't make it out like she's the only racer who's ever worked hard so deserves a break. There are plenty of others out there doing exactly the same. Difference is she's a girl so it gets media coverage. ks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break. I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
Also I never said anything like "my mate is better... Etc"? But I could list 10+ riders in the BSB support paddock who would no doubt deliver better results. There were 7 people faster than her on a Superstock 1000 in the test at Donington. Are you suggesting that's an acceptable result on a factory bike?
George29 said:
LoonR1 said:
That's bks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break.
I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
The only reason she's in the team is for press coverage. You won't even see her on the tv come race day, except maybe when she's being lapped. Don't make it out like she's the only racer who's ever worked hard so deserves a break. There are plenty of others out there doing exactly the same. Difference is she's a girl so it gets media coverage. ks. Honda would normally run a two rider team. This year to accommodate her they're running a three rider team. She hasn't taken anyone else's ride, that ride wouldn't exist, if Honda didn't see her as a viable rider. Whether that's for marketing purposes or whatever, who cares. She's worked hard as a racer and deserves a break. I really struggle with the "my mate is a better rider so he should've had the chance". Here's what your mate should do. Go out and find some sponsorship and then spend every penny he earns doing his day job on funding two or three seasons in BSB and see if he gets a ride by putting himself in the shop window. Or why don't you sponsor one of them?
Also I never said anything like "my mate is better... Etc"? But I could list 10+ riders in the BSB support paddock who would no doubt deliver better results. There were 7 people faster than her on a Superstock 1000 in the test at Donington. Are you suggesting that's an acceptable result on a factory bike?
She'd be mental to turn down the factory honda bike , even if what you say is true.
Racing isn't fair regardless if its on 2 wheels or 4.
There are people in all series who are there because of what money they can bring or the public are more interested in them so they'll get more tv time not down to what race results they can get.
Racing is a sport but it's also business.
egor110 said:
I think this year is going to be a bit of a game changer with younger riders giving the elder statesmen a run for the title.
Gotta say my money's on Buchan this year, although I don't think kiyo Brookes and shakey are going to make it easy. The way he rides that zx10, which imo looks awesome in yellow and black is something to watch, and after such a dream season last year his confidence is obviously through the roof. Can't waitGeorge29 said:
The only reason she's in the team is for press coverage. You won't even see her on the tv come race day, except maybe when she's being lapped. Don't make it out like she's the only racer who's ever worked hard so deserves a break. There are plenty of others out there doing exactly the same. Difference is she's a girl so it gets media coverage.
Also I never said anything like "my mate is better... Etc"? But I could list 10+ riders in the BSB support paddock who would no doubt deliver better results. There were 7 people faster than her on a Superstock 1000 in the test at Donington. Are you suggesting that's an acceptable result on a factory bike?
Lapped? You really think she'll get lapped. Seriously, you want to take a long hard look in the mirror. Also I never said anything like "my mate is better... Etc"? But I could list 10+ riders in the BSB support paddock who would no doubt deliver better results. There were 7 people faster than her on a Superstock 1000 in the test at Donington. Are you suggesting that's an acceptable result on a factory bike?
Nobody is saying she isn't there for the roses coverage and marketing side of things, but what you patently seem unable to grasp is this:
HONDA RUN TWO RODER TEAMS
THIS YEAR THEY ARE RUNNING THREE RIDERS TO ACCOMMODATE HER
IF SHE WASN'T THERE, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE A THIRD BIKE
SHE HASNT TAKEN SOMEONE ELSES RIDE
I'm not sure how many times I can keep saying that amd it not sink in. Why not have a pop at Ralf Lo Turco, or some do the weekly crashes, or the other back of the rpfiedl runners and ask why they're on the grid. Even if self funded, surely someone else could do better.
LoonR1 said:
Lapped? You really think she'll get lapped. Seriously, you want to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Nobody is saying she isn't there for the roses coverage and marketing side of things, but what you patently seem unable to grasp is this:
HONDA RUN TWO RODER TEAMS
THIS YEAR THEY ARE RUNNING THREE RIDERS TO ACCOMMODATE HER
IF SHE WASN'T THERE, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE A THIRD BIKE
SHE HASNT TAKEN SOMEONE ELSES RIDE
I'm not sure how many times I can keep saying that amd it not sink in. Why not have a pop at Ralf Lo Turco, or some do the weekly crashes, or the other back of the rpfiedl runners and ask why they're on the grid. Even if self funded, surely someone else could do better.
Loon, I get what you are saying, but playing devil's advocate I can also see a thought process that goes along the following lines:-Nobody is saying she isn't there for the roses coverage and marketing side of things, but what you patently seem unable to grasp is this:
HONDA RUN TWO RODER TEAMS
THIS YEAR THEY ARE RUNNING THREE RIDERS TO ACCOMMODATE HER
IF SHE WASN'T THERE, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE A THIRD BIKE
SHE HASNT TAKEN SOMEONE ELSES RIDE
I'm not sure how many times I can keep saying that amd it not sink in. Why not have a pop at Ralf Lo Turco, or some do the weekly crashes, or the other back of the rpfiedl runners and ask why they're on the grid. Even if self funded, surely someone else could do better.
1. Honda traditionally run a two rider team
2. Honda have decided to run a three rider team
3. Honda therefore have the budget to run three bikes instead of two
4. There are riders out there who would probably produce better results than Jenny will
5. Therefore Honda have the third bike, have the budget for a third bike, but choose to put a rider on it who may not perform as well as others
I'm not saying I subscribe to the above thinking, but I can understand it. No amount of saying 'she's not taken a ride off someone' changes the above logic.
My view on it is that she will consistently run top 10 if the team don't treat her as a token marketing tool and give her the right support. As to the whole 'someone else could have the bike' thing, for me it comes down to where the budget comes from. It could be that Honda are offsetting the additional cost of a third bike with the additional marketing coverage that having a fast female rider will provide. If that's the case then the third bike definitely wouldn't be there for another rider.
LoonR1 said:
Lapped? You really think she'll get lapped. Seriously, you want to take a long hard look in the mirror.
Nobody is saying she isn't there for the roses coverage and marketing side of things, but what you patently seem unable to grasp is this:
HONDA RUN TWO RODER TEAMS
THIS YEAR THEY ARE RUNNING THREE RIDERS TO ACCOMMODATE HER
IF SHE WASN'T THERE, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE A THIRD BIKE
SHE HASNT TAKEN SOMEONE ELSES RIDE
I'm not sure how many times I can keep saying that amd it not sink in. Why not have a pop at Ralf Lo Turco, or some do the weekly crashes, or the other back of the rpfiedl runners and ask why they're on the grid. Even if self funded, surely someone else could do better.
Would put money on her getting lapped several times this year. She definitely won't get any points this year, not with the level of competition so high. Id like to see her prove me wrong, but it's not going to happen. As I said before, 7 superstock 1000, 4 supersport and a supersport evo were faster than her at the Donington test. Do you think that's acceptable from a factory rider??? Especially when her teammate finished 5th overall?Nobody is saying she isn't there for the roses coverage and marketing side of things, but what you patently seem unable to grasp is this:
HONDA RUN TWO RODER TEAMS
THIS YEAR THEY ARE RUNNING THREE RIDERS TO ACCOMMODATE HER
IF SHE WASN'T THERE, THEN THERE WOULDNT BE A THIRD BIKE
SHE HASNT TAKEN SOMEONE ELSES RIDE
I'm not sure how many times I can keep saying that amd it not sink in. Why not have a pop at Ralf Lo Turco, or some do the weekly crashes, or the other back of the rpfiedl runners and ask why they're on the grid. Even if self funded, surely someone else could do better.
Honda may well usually run 2 bikes... But they are now running 3 and they could have a better 3rd rider is the point im making.
Ralph LeTurco shouldn't be there either. He couldn't win at Thundersport level, let alone BSB. Bet you won't see him getting a factory ride any time soon though?! Similar sort of results as Jenny. I think they should go in the support classes, then have to at least be competitive at those before jumping into BSB.
George29 said:
As I said before, 7 superstock 1000, 4 supersport and a supersport evo were faster than her at the Donington test. Do you think that's acceptable from a factory rider???
It was mostly damp to drying, STK1000s are often quick in those conditions, STK1000s were also faster than Chris Walker, Martin Jessop, Peter Hickman, Michael Laverty, Iddon, Kennedy and Johnson. She was just 0.4s off Hickman. And no, a Supersport was not quicker than her.http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/doni...
FourWheelDrift said:
It was mostly damp to drying, STK1000s are often quick in those conditions, STK1000s were also faster than Chris Walker, Martin Jessop, Peter Hickman, Michael Laverty, Iddon, Kennedy and Johnson. She was just 0.4s off Hickman. And no, a Supersport was not quicker than her.
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/doni...
Jenny Tinmouth: 1:35.431http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/doni...
Sam Hornsey: 1:33.650
Jake Dixon: 1:33.775
Luke Stapleford: 1:33.785
Glenn Irwin: 1:34.257
James Rispoli: 1:35.075
Freddy Pett: 1:35.171
Source: http://www.britishsuperbike.com/media/1393893/test...
Conditions may not be great, but not acceptable for someone on a factory bike in my opinion. We will see what happens next weekend as can't always take testing times seriously, I feel it will be much of the same though.
George29 said:
Would put money on her getting lapped several times this year. She definitely won't get any points this year, not with the level of competition so high. Id like to see her prove me wrong, but it's not going to happen. As I said before, 7 superstock 1000, 4 supersport and a supersport evo were faster than her at the Donington test. Do you think that's acceptable from a factory rider??? Especially when her teammate finished 5th overall?
Honda may well usually run 2 bikes... But they are now running 3 and they could have a better 3rd rider is the point im making.
Ralph LeTurco shouldn't be there either. He couldn't win at Thundersport level, let alone BSB. Bet you won't see him getting a factory ride any time soon though?! Similar sort of results as Jenny. I think they should go in the support classes, then have to at least be competitive at those before jumping into BSB.
Why shouldn't Ralph Le Turco be in bsb?Honda may well usually run 2 bikes... But they are now running 3 and they could have a better 3rd rider is the point im making.
Ralph LeTurco shouldn't be there either. He couldn't win at Thundersport level, let alone BSB. Bet you won't see him getting a factory ride any time soon though?! Similar sort of results as Jenny. I think they should go in the support classes, then have to at least be competitive at those before jumping into BSB.
This isn't fairy tale land where teams have special magic money trees so they can employ the quickest riders, the books have to be balanced , wages have to be paid, trucks have to be fueled up.
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