S\E Garden of England Rideout thread 2014
Discussion
bass gt3 said:
spareparts said:
bass gt3 said:
spareparts said:
It was the first time the Ducati went out since the engine rebuild, and she was just fantastic and terrifying at the same time. The first time I pinned it in 3rd gear (ref Scott), she just lifted skyward and I had to unwind to keep her down. Tried the same in 4th gear, and she just lifted again! So I need to readjust my riding style to keep more weight over the front in order to maximise use of the throttle... or maybe consider the longer RS swingarm. She now weighs about 159kg and twists out 75-98 lbsft torque from 5-8k rpm, so 2nd gear brings new meaning to 'be there'.
Ade, told you to fit the Nova gearbox 
As for the RS swingarm, don't unless you change the front offset, and even then, it won't make a jot of difference to the constant wheelies. 1198? they all do that sir!!
It has a very tall 1st and 6th is 2x first so the ratios are nicely stacked, and no constant hoisting of the front. So if your final drive ratios permit 80mph in first, 6th will top out at 160mph.
Mine did exactly as yours is doing, as soon as you got near the power, the bike would just stand up. Funny at first, tiresome after a while. I ven posted vids of it. Change gear? Up she'd come. Hard on thegas? Up she'd come.
The Duc ratios are a bit of a dogs dinner, albeit your R ratios are much better than the normal where 5th and 6th are overdrives. So it makes the lower gears very long and very wheely prone. Also testers have always complained that the 1198 felt like it wanted to get away from you as you exited a corner winding on the gas, exactly as mine used to do.
Since fitting the Nova ratios, problem solved. She accelerates like a mad thing, but no wheelies when the oooomph starts to arrive as the revs rise, just forward thrust. Provoke it, yes she'll still whelly like a good 'un, but in serious use, she keeps her head down and goes.
And if you're not aware, these are the exact, from the same supplier gearboxes Ducati Corse use in the factory race bikes, Checa et al. All Austrian super steel, supertreated and finished on perfect layshafts ready to go.With your cases open, it would have been ideal.
3DP said:
bass gt3 said:
spareparts said:
bass gt3 said:
spareparts said:
It was the first time the Ducati went out since the engine rebuild, and she was just fantastic and terrifying at the same time. The first time I pinned it in 3rd gear (ref Scott), she just lifted skyward and I had to unwind to keep her down. Tried the same in 4th gear, and she just lifted again! So I need to readjust my riding style to keep more weight over the front in order to maximise use of the throttle... or maybe consider the longer RS swingarm. She now weighs about 159kg and twists out 75-98 lbsft torque from 5-8k rpm, so 2nd gear brings new meaning to 'be there'.
Ade, told you to fit the Nova gearbox As for the RS swingarm, don't unless you change the front offset, and even then, it won't make a jot of difference to the constant wheelies. 1198? they all do that sir!!
It has a very tall 1st and 6th is 2x first so the ratios are nicely stacked, and no constant hoisting of the front. So if your final drive ratios permit 80mph in first, 6th will top out at 160mph.
Mine did exactly as yours is doing, as soon as you got near the power, the bike would just stand up. Funny at first, tiresome after a while. I ven posted vids of it. Change gear? Up she'd come. Hard on thegas? Up she'd come.
The Duc ratios are a bit of a dogs dinner, albeit your R ratios are much better than the normal where 5th and 6th are overdrives. So it makes the lower gears very long and very wheely prone. Also testers have always complained that the 1198 felt like it wanted to get away from you as you exited a corner winding on the gas, exactly as mine used to do.
Since fitting the Nova ratios, problem solved. She accelerates like a mad thing, but no wheelies when the oooomph starts to arrive as the revs rise, just forward thrust. Provoke it, yes she'll still whelly like a good 'un, but in serious use, she keeps her head down and goes.
And if you're not aware, these are the exact, from the same supplier gearboxes Ducati Corse use in the factory race bikes, Checa et al. All Austrian super steel, supertreated and finished on perfect layshafts ready to go.With your cases open, it would have been ideal.
bass gt3 said:
It seems to stop the huge isue you're discovering as i did when Daisy first turned a wheel in anger. Wheelies everywhere, any gear, any throttle opening almost any speed (up to 200kph in my case)
Daisy is an absolute beast now, night and day from my 1098S which isn't slow, so I hate to know how it was then!
I do agree about the difficulties of riding in a large group, but to be honest yesterday was my first experience of that, and I loved it. The pace was just right so that I needed to rag the tits off the bike to keep up on the faster sections - which I don't mind as it's a hell of a lot of fun
Thanks for pointing out the suspension "issues", Tony. I've no idea how I didn't notice it earlier; I guess I've got used to it as it's been like that since I bought it from the previous owner who'd done 2000 miles in four years - perhaps it seized through underuse!? Would still expect more than 7500 miles even from a parts bin special though. Just went to look at it and after a heavy dousing in WD40 we have spring movement but the lack of damping is still comical. Now to weigh up replacement shock vs getting a 600 and being done with it.
Thanks for pointing out the suspension "issues", Tony. I've no idea how I didn't notice it earlier; I guess I've got used to it as it's been like that since I bought it from the previous owner who'd done 2000 miles in four years - perhaps it seized through underuse!? Would still expect more than 7500 miles even from a parts bin special though. Just went to look at it and after a heavy dousing in WD40 we have spring movement but the lack of damping is still comical. Now to weigh up replacement shock vs getting a 600 and being done with it.
Best group size for rides is two to four people in my experience, ideally of similar pace and attitude towards 'making progress'. Beyond the social aspect or finding new roads, large ride outs are no fun to ride.
Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
3DP said:
Best group size for rides is two to four people in my experience, ideally of similar pace and attitude towards 'making progress'. Beyond the social aspect or finding new roads, large ride outs are no fun to ride.
Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
Excellent. Well i'm planning an early run if the weather is good. I'll text you friday?Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
sc0tt said:
3DP said:
Best group size for rides is two to four people in my experience, ideally of similar pace and attitude towards 'making progress'. Beyond the social aspect or finding new roads, large ride outs are no fun to ride.
Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
Excellent. Well i'm planning an early run if the weather is good. I'll text you friday?Will keep an eye on the weather Sc0tt. The A21 is a boring road, but there are plenty of fun alternatives to get to the same location.
3DP said:
Sure thing. Personally I think you are better heading to Rye first as the roads are tighter and less opportunity to pass traffic. Plus - if you didn't sample Military road last weekend, you want to do that when it's quiet.
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