Interesting Cat & Fiddle Fail
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the roads not "dangerous" FFS
bikes are not "dangerous"
people are "dangerous"
its fookin operator error/lack of talent/over confidence/whatever
this will be one of those "single vehicle accidents" that make up the majority ....and the media will cry on about bikes being death traps some more and a call to reduce speed limits further
bikes are not "dangerous"
people are "dangerous"
its fookin operator error/lack of talent/over confidence/whatever
this will be one of those "single vehicle accidents" that make up the majority ....and the media will cry on about bikes being death traps some more and a call to reduce speed limits further
Dr Jekyll said:
Mind you he had almost passed the car on it's nearside when he hit the fence so perhaps he should have turned left at that point and got back onto the road. That would have been worth seeing.
Agreed, there was also very little attempt to keep the bike upright once he had left the road.EvoBarry said:
I've seen that corner catch many people out in fairness, it draws you in and then tightens up and if you do go in hot you then have to stop the bike for a pretty tight right hander straight away, so I can see *how* he's got himself in trouble here. His riding is entirely at fault though, not the road, as he/Granada seem to infer!
I'll agree with all of that.black-k1 said:
On a sports bike, in dry conditions with a good surface with the front brake used to the max, the rear brake equates to f
k all - full stop (pun intended!). The rear wheel will either be off the ground or as close as to make no difference.
However, on the road in the real world
- many people don’t ride sports bikes or don’t ride only sports bikes;
- conditions are not always dry, even when the weather is nice;
- surface is very often less than good;
- many riders don’t use their front brake to the max;
When braking in non-emergency conditions it is not really important how you use your brakes as long as you allow for speed and conditions to ensure you don’t convert a non-emergency situation into an emergency. Sure, you may not be using ‘optimal braking’ but frankly, who cares?
Where braking correctly is important is in an emergency. In such situations the difference between 95% barking efficiency and 100% braking efficiency can literally be life or death. But, when we are confronted with emergency situations, we all react instinctively and do what we’ve trained our bodies and minds to do through repetition. Thus, if you only ever brake with the front brake then that’s all you’ll do in an emergency.
On a wet or poor surfaced road, even on a sports bike, to get 100% braking efficiency will require use of the rear brake as well as the front. The rear may account for up to 50% of braking. (ie not using your rear brake may result in stopping distances that are twice as long as when the rear brake is used.) Make the surface worse than just wet through diesel, ice, gravel, mud etc. and the proportion of rear brake required to achieve 100% braking efficiency increases.
If you are 100% confident that you will only ever have to do an emergency stop in situations where you will definitely only be on a sports bike, where the weather will be perfect and where the surface will be excellent then carry on just using the front brake. If you think that you may, just possibly, ever find yourself in a situation where you can’t guarantee the above then it may be work training your ‘instinctive reactions’ to include use of the rear brake.
I have, a number of times before, posted a test to undertake to show that the rear brake is of benefit. Feel free to try it and let us know the outcome.
Find a quite bit of road where you can get up to a speed above 30mph. Ride to a fixed point then brake as hard as you dare using the front brake only. Note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Repeat the process from the same fixed point at the same speed using the rear brake only and again, note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Finally, repeat the process once more, same speed, same fixed point, using both brakes, and note the point where the bike comes to a stop.
Try the above on both a well surfaced dry road and again on a road with a not so good surface that is, perhaps, damp after a shower. I will guarantee you will see a benefit from the use of the rear brake in addition to the front.
Bike was a two stroke too....k all - full stop (pun intended!). The rear wheel will either be off the ground or as close as to make no difference.However, on the road in the real world
- many people don’t ride sports bikes or don’t ride only sports bikes;
- conditions are not always dry, even when the weather is nice;
- surface is very often less than good;
- many riders don’t use their front brake to the max;
When braking in non-emergency conditions it is not really important how you use your brakes as long as you allow for speed and conditions to ensure you don’t convert a non-emergency situation into an emergency. Sure, you may not be using ‘optimal braking’ but frankly, who cares?
Where braking correctly is important is in an emergency. In such situations the difference between 95% barking efficiency and 100% braking efficiency can literally be life or death. But, when we are confronted with emergency situations, we all react instinctively and do what we’ve trained our bodies and minds to do through repetition. Thus, if you only ever brake with the front brake then that’s all you’ll do in an emergency.
On a wet or poor surfaced road, even on a sports bike, to get 100% braking efficiency will require use of the rear brake as well as the front. The rear may account for up to 50% of braking. (ie not using your rear brake may result in stopping distances that are twice as long as when the rear brake is used.) Make the surface worse than just wet through diesel, ice, gravel, mud etc. and the proportion of rear brake required to achieve 100% braking efficiency increases.
If you are 100% confident that you will only ever have to do an emergency stop in situations where you will definitely only be on a sports bike, where the weather will be perfect and where the surface will be excellent then carry on just using the front brake. If you think that you may, just possibly, ever find yourself in a situation where you can’t guarantee the above then it may be work training your ‘instinctive reactions’ to include use of the rear brake.
I have, a number of times before, posted a test to undertake to show that the rear brake is of benefit. Feel free to try it and let us know the outcome.
Find a quite bit of road where you can get up to a speed above 30mph. Ride to a fixed point then brake as hard as you dare using the front brake only. Note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Repeat the process from the same fixed point at the same speed using the rear brake only and again, note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Finally, repeat the process once more, same speed, same fixed point, using both brakes, and note the point where the bike comes to a stop.
Try the above on both a well surfaced dry road and again on a road with a not so good surface that is, perhaps, damp after a shower. I will guarantee you will see a benefit from the use of the rear brake in addition to the front.
Edited by black-k1 on Thursday 27th March 10:05
If you know a road like the back of your hand you get used to how you balance out the brakes. My situation was nothing like that vid as I decided to let it run on (seeing it clear) over trying to force it round the corner past my comfort level.
HertsBiker said:
Biggest stupidity is posting it online. Before it was just a crash, with no injury. Now his wallet will take a smashing from plod and he may get a ban. How clever to post it......
yep..rather silly...im sure we've all made mistakes and learnt from them...but this seems to be the nature of the "go-pro" generation who want to film there lives and broadcast themselves for a few minutes of fame
bogie said:
....and the media will cry on about bikes being death traps some more and a call to reduce speed limits further
Considering there are far more suicides than bikers killing themselves by throwing themselves at the scenery, I think as a group we have the right to complain if they do.CBR JGWRR said:
bogie said:
....and the media will cry on about bikes being death traps some more and a call to reduce speed limits further
Considering there are far more suicides than bikers killing themselves by throwing themselves at the scenery, I think as a group we have the right to complain if they do.HertsBiker said:
Yeah, and most DIY accidents aren't filmed and tubed. And aren't usually about having fun while breaking the law. Bloody idiotic posting this stuff. Bit like those that send a partner a pic of their bits, and wonder how the pics end up on the web when they split up. Retarded.
exactly 
Interesting comment on the Deauville forum
perceptiveperson said:
Apart from the illegal overtake, his speed and line for the corner were way off. The coppers on BikeSafe took the group to a gentle left hand band not 10 miles from where I live where a biker died. He was only doing an estimated 43 mph but took the wrong line and was thrown onto the other side of the road. He didn't miss the car.
The rider is a massive bell end. He was showing off and riding like a cock. Classic case of enthusiasm exceeding talent. Most of us may well have done similar in the past but would be sufficiently intelligent and embarrassed not to put the evidence of our stupidity on the internet. What a twit !
The issue is compounded by the fact that he has done it on that particular road and thus given the local authority and the police a nice lump of justification for all the draconian measures that they have taken so far, which have spoiled that piece of road for the rest of us.
Yes he could use some advanced riding training but some level of intelligence is required to undertake that and the evidence so far does not suggest that he is well equipped in that department!
We all like to have fun on our bikes, especially on nice twisty roads but we do have a responsibility to ourselves, other road users, our families and the biking community in general.
He obviously thought it was amusing and worthy of posting up on the internet but he only missed that car by luck and I wonder how he might have felt if he had killed or injured one of the car passengers.
The issue is compounded by the fact that he has done it on that particular road and thus given the local authority and the police a nice lump of justification for all the draconian measures that they have taken so far, which have spoiled that piece of road for the rest of us.
Yes he could use some advanced riding training but some level of intelligence is required to undertake that and the evidence so far does not suggest that he is well equipped in that department!
We all like to have fun on our bikes, especially on nice twisty roads but we do have a responsibility to ourselves, other road users, our families and the biking community in general.
He obviously thought it was amusing and worthy of posting up on the internet but he only missed that car by luck and I wonder how he might have felt if he had killed or injured one of the car passengers.
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