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Crossflow Kid said:
So it's not your chosen mode of transport that's less risky.
It's you yourself.
Really? I don't know when my cars or my bikes have been having accidents without me driving or riding them! Still they seem pretty good at getting any damage repaired. It's you yourself.
In the last 30 years my cars have had 4 accidents and my bikes have had 1 accident, which, coincidently, is the same number I have had! That makes my choice of a motorcycle as transport safer.
I must just be good at choosing safe bikes or bad at choosing safe cars. black-k1 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So it's not your chosen mode of transport that's less risky.
It's you yourself.
Really? I don't know when my cars or my bikes have been having accidents without me driving or riding them! Still they seem pretty good at getting any damage repaired. It's you yourself.
In the last 30 years my cars have had 4 accidents and my bikes have had 1 accident, which, coincidently, is the same number I have had! That makes my choice of a motorcycle as transport safer.
I must just be good at choosing safe bikes or bad at choosing safe cars. I certainly feel safer in a car, you are surrounded by metal, you are less venerable, be it a conscious or sub-conscious conclusion you are making it too.
There's lots of comment about bikers being happier with more risk. I may have missed it but no one has mentioned adrenalin, or the term 'adrenalin junkie'. This certainly plays a part in my life. I've always loved cars, loved speed, I've been on track days on 4-wheels for years, hillclimbed and sprinted a 400bhp Cerbera, all for the crack. Biking is just an extension of this, with the added positive sidebar that it's small and can get me through the traffic and don't have to pay congestion charge or parking in central London. But occasionally I get a buzz from being that much quicker than the traffic around me, or more in control of hunk of metal i'm balanced upon.
Just have fun and be as careful as you can.
Tim
black-k1 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So it's not your chosen mode of transport that's less risky.
It's you yourself.
Really? I don't know when my cars or my bikes have been having accidents without me driving or riding them! Still they seem pretty good at getting any damage repaired. It's you yourself.
In the last 30 years my cars have had 4 accidents and my bikes have had 1 accident, which, coincidently, is the same number I have had! That makes my choice of a motorcycle as transport safer.
I must just be good at choosing safe bikes or bad at choosing safe cars. Not read through the whole thread so forgive me if this has been addressed already... but what happened to the car? I know it wasn't his/her fault but you would expect them to stick around and see if this man is ok?
Pretty crap riding but in all honesty I'm not much better and have made similar mistakes. I haven't ridden for 7 years and was only 25 at the time and would expect to be a lot more mature when I jump back on the saddle. The guy he was riding with on the R1 was awful too though!
Pretty crap riding but in all honesty I'm not much better and have made similar mistakes. I haven't ridden for 7 years and was only 25 at the time and would expect to be a lot more mature when I jump back on the saddle. The guy he was riding with on the R1 was awful too though!
8potdave said:
Not read through the whole thread so forgive me if this has been addressed already... but what happened to the car? I know it wasn't his/her fault but you would expect them to stick around and see if this man is ok?
Their first thought was probably "f
king tt, got what he deserved", closely followed by seeing the other bikes and thinking "Oh that's ok, his mates will look after him"Crossflow Kid said:
8potdave said:
Not read through the whole thread so forgive me if this has been addressed already... but what happened to the car? I know it wasn't his/her fault but you would expect them to stick around and see if this man is ok?
Their first thought was probably "fking tt, got what he deserved", closely followed by seeing the other bikes and thinking "Oh that's ok, his mates will look after him"8potdave said:
Crossflow Kid said:
8potdave said:
Not read through the whole thread so forgive me if this has been addressed already... but what happened to the car? I know it wasn't his/her fault but you would expect them to stick around and see if this man is ok?
Their first thought was probably "fking tt, got what he deserved", closely followed by seeing the other bikes and thinking "Oh that's ok, his mates will look after him"Just going on my experience of car knobs attitudes to bikes.
anonymous said:
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.....Indeed I won't!!!!
...... Regardless how safe, dangerous or otherwise motorcycling or car driving is for everyone else my total number of accidents, accidents per mile statistics and accidents per year statistics are all lower for motorcycle riding than they are for car driving. General statistics of risk are all calculated on overall numbers of accidents vs. overall mileage estimates but don't meet specific circumstances.
If we say I ride and drive the average of 12000 miles per year then my car accident statistics are:
Average of 1 accident per 90,000 miles
Average of 1 accident per 7.5 years
My bike statistics are:
Average of 1 accident per 360,000 miles
Average of 1 accident per 30 years
Likewise, from 720,000 miles travelled, motorcycles account for 20% of accidents and cars account for 80% of accidents.
You can prove I'm more at risk if you group me with a load of 16 year old moped riders with no experience, who deliver pizzas at pub kick out time or group me with a bunch of FWB born agains who want to show that their 'Blade, GSXR, S1000RR, RSV4 etc. is as fast as any MotoGP/WSB and that they should be on the next race grid, but that's not representative of MY situation and thus MY risk.
The only statistics that exactly match my specific circumstances (riders/drivers of my age, living at my address, riding and driving the numbers of miles I do, with my experience, using the make and model of bikes/cars I do) are those mentioned thus the specific risk levels, calculated using specific values, would suggest that when I arrive at the garage and decide "car or bike" (my chosen method of transport), I'll be less likely to have an accident on the bike than I will in the car.
On a serious note, does this make biking for me safe? Definitely not. Am I still at significant risk when riding my bike? Definitely yes!
I do think two years is pretty harsh to be honest. But, I watched some of his other videos before he took them down, and he was a pretty optimistic rider going well over the speed limit on small country roads with blind corners in very poor conditions.
Worst of all is that these awesome videos (where nobody gets hurt) won't get posted up any more
Worst of all is that these awesome videos (where nobody gets hurt) won't get posted up any more
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