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DrDoofenshmirtz said:
Haven't we all done this though...run wide on a bend?
I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
I know I've had almost the same accident on the Snake Pass, but with no car coming the other way I got to stop alongside the barriers & swear a lot before setting off at lower speeds I could cope with.I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
Haven't we all done this though...run wide on a bend?
I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
No. I've never steered out towards the wrong side of the road. I'm not a good rider, but I know how to steer a bike, I thought it might turn out to be handy.I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
Kawasicki said:
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
Haven't we all done this though...run wide on a bend?
I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
No. I've never steered out towards the wrong side of the road. I'm not a good rider, but I know how to steer a bike, I thought it might turn out to be handy.I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
I'm with kawasicki on this one.
y2blade said:
"Haven't we all done this though?"....Honestly, No i have never run wide into the path of oncoming traffic.
I'm with kawasicki on this one.
Yawn - boring. I'm with kawasicki on this one.
I have (due to a mechanical) on that very road. In summary:
- Gave some textile wearing tourists a head start of a few minutes at least from the pub (boring southerners from Norfolk I think admiring my 2T)
- Easily reeled them in taking in that sweet 2T GP sound
- Pass their lardy old behinds
- Few corners later, no rear brake FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRK!
- Harpoon across road
- Being awesome, steer it to a dropped curb near a gate iirc
- Use boot against wall to stop bike (foot peg went through boot)
- Drop stand and then pretend to be taking pictures of my bike as they pass and give them a wave
Who's a clever b
d! - Live and learn though.... Must admit the decision to let it run on was out of choice as I wasn't sure what was wrong with the bike. I could see through the corner and nothing was coming.Quick question; people slag the C&F but I enjoyed when I lived up there (was no effort to get to mind). I've had the misfortune of living down south since 2010, and every supposed decent road in Hants, Berks, Dorset, S.Oxon, West Sussex and Wilts I have found to be absolutely dog s
t, to the point where I don't even consider S England being worth wasting fuel on. Can anyone southern based suggest any decent roads? - I'd really appreciate it.y2blade said:
Kawasicki said:
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
Haven't we all done this though...run wide on a bend?
I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
No. I've never steered out towards the wrong side of the road. I'm not a good rider, but I know how to steer a bike, I thought it might turn out to be handy.I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
I'm with kawasicki on this one.
y2blade said:
Kawasicki said:
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
Haven't we all done this though...run wide on a bend?
I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
No. I've never steered out towards the wrong side of the road. I'm not a good rider, but I know how to steer a bike, I thought it might turn out to be handy.I know I have - luckily no damage was done because the car coming the other way swerved out of my way
I'm with kawasicki on this one.
black-k1 said:
Harpo said:
Apriliaer said:
Few corners later, no rear brake FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRK!
You used the rear brake to try and stop? 
No wonder you didn't!
k all in terms of braking force compared to the front.....moanthebairns said:
black-k1 said:
Harpo said:
Apriliaer said:
Few corners later, no rear brake FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRK!
You used the rear brake to try and stop? No wonder you didn't!
k all in terms of braking force compared to the front.....k all - full stop (pun intended!). The rear wheel will either be off the ground or as close as to make no difference.However, on the road in the real world
- many people don’t ride sports bikes or don’t ride only sports bikes;
- conditions are not always dry, even when the weather is nice;
- surface is very often less than good;
- many riders don’t use their front brake to the max;
When braking in non-emergency conditions it is not really important how you use your brakes as long as you allow for speed and conditions to ensure you don’t convert a non-emergency situation into an emergency. Sure, you may not be using ‘optimal braking’ but frankly, who cares?
Where braking correctly is important is in an emergency. In such situations the difference between 95% barking efficiency and 100% braking efficiency can literally be life or death. But, when we are confronted with emergency situations, we all react instinctively and do what we’ve trained our bodies and minds to do through repetition. Thus, if you only ever brake with the front brake then that’s all you’ll do in an emergency.
On a wet or poor surfaced road, even on a sports bike, to get 100% braking efficiency will require use of the rear brake as well as the front. The rear may account for up to 50% of braking. (ie not using your rear brake may result in stopping distances that are twice as long as when the rear brake is used.) Make the surface worse than just wet through diesel, ice, gravel, mud etc. and the proportion of rear brake required to achieve 100% braking efficiency increases.
If you are 100% confident that you will only ever have to do an emergency stop in situations where you will definitely only be on a sports bike, where the weather will be perfect and where the surface will be excellent then carry on just using the front brake. If you think that you may, just possibly, ever find yourself in a situation where you can’t guarantee the above then it may be work training your ‘instinctive reactions’ to include use of the rear brake.
I have, a number of times before, posted a test to undertake to show that the rear brake is of benefit. Feel free to try it and let us know the outcome.
Find a quite bit of road where you can get up to a speed above 30mph. Ride to a fixed point then brake as hard as you dare using the front brake only. Note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Repeat the process from the same fixed point at the same speed using the rear brake only and again, note the point where the bike comes to a stop. Finally, repeat the process once more, same speed, same fixed point, using both brakes, and note the point where the bike comes to a stop.
Try the above on both a well surfaced dry road and again on a road with a not so good surface that is, perhaps, damp after a shower. I will guarantee you will see a benefit from the use of the rear brake in addition to the front.
Edited by black-k1 on Thursday 27th March 10:05
did I ever say I dont use the rear K1?
I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
Apriliaer said:
I've had the misfortune of living down south since 2010, and every supposed decent road in Hants, Berks, Dorset, S.Oxon, West Sussex and Wilts I have found to be absolutely dog st, to the point where I don't even consider S England being worth wasting fuel on. Can anyone southern based suggest any decent roads? - I'd really appreciate it.
I'll refrain from suggesting the obvious shall I? t, to the point where I don't even consider S England being worth wasting fuel on. Can anyone southern based suggest any decent roads? - I'd really appreciate it."
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LoonR1 said:
Nels0n said:
A FWB riding god who thinks st riding is just an 'unlucky incident'?
Oooooo look, someone who rides in the rain and snow and is therefore the greatest rider the world has ever seen. Yawn. t riding is just an 'unlucky incident'?I never use the rear brake when riding at all. Ever.
moanthebairns said:
did I ever say I dont use the rear K1?
I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
Apologies. While I quoted your post in the "quote all" option I was replying to a generic 'you' rather than you specifically.I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
I'm very glad to hear you already use both brakes.
black-k1 said:
moanthebairns said:
did I ever say I dont use the rear K1?
I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
Apologies. While I quoted your post in the "quote all" option I was replying to a generic 'you' rather than you specifically.I use the rear all the time braking, in wet or in dry, i know there is no need for it but I still do. God I have comfort braked with it a few times before.
I was pointing out that you wouldnt rely upon the rear to stop you, one would use the front.
I'm very glad to hear you already use both brakes.
moanthebairns said:
when I had my crash and the car pulled out infront of me (and I panicked braked and swerved, not proud of that but I did) and I started to stoppy I still remember trying to stick the rear brake on even when it was up in the air.
Id imagine most people would panic brake. At least you got a bit of style in before you went down the road
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