Is this too fast for the road?
Discussion
black-k1 said:
Most people have no concept of what a bike is easily and safely capable of when it comes to acceleration. This is especially true in overtakes where non-bikers can be skocked seeing an overtake that is actually totally safe for the biker.
This, most definitely this. But more really needs to be done about educating car drivers around bikers. The problem being that, to take that easy-to-drive metal box on the road, you need to pass a simple test with all the education geared towards rote learning of a few signs, a handful of roads and the controls of the car. You can then get in the car and drive as you please, with very little risk to yourself. The issue is that most car drivers aren't thinking about motorbikes, and they have no idea what sort of speeds a motorbike can make in a split second. Ergo, there are many more safe overtaking opportunities on a bike than there are in a car. The problem is, most people consider 'lunatic riding' to be a bike doing what they couldn't do in their car, namely firing off a safe overtake where their A4 TDi just couldn't. A complete failure to appreciate the characteristics of the bike.
And don't even get me started on the SMIDSY crowd. I have a good friend in the police who has attended a score of motorbike accidents, mercifully most being low speed car-hits-bike accidents. The statement you can bet on being said is "I didn't see him". I am informed that a great number have looked at him with confusion, as he fills out the crash report, when they are asked "did you check your blind spot?". Jesus wept.
Baryonyx said:
black-k1 said:
Most people have no concept of what a bike is easily and safely capable of when it comes to acceleration. This is especially true in overtakes where non-bikers can be skocked seeing an overtake that is actually totally safe for the biker.
This, most definitely this. But more really needs to be done about educating car drivers around bikers. The problem being that, to take that easy-to-drive metal box on the road, you need to pass a simple test with all the education geared towards rote learning of a few signs, a handful of roads and the controls of the car. You can then get in the car and drive as you please, with very little risk to yourself. The issue is that most car drivers aren't thinking about motorbikes, and they have no idea what sort of speeds a motorbike can make in a split second. Ergo, there are many more safe overtaking opportunities on a bike than there are in a car. The problem is, most people consider 'lunatic riding' to be a bike doing what they couldn't do in their car, namely firing off a safe overtake where their A4 TDi just couldn't. A complete failure to appreciate the characteristics of the bike.
And don't even get me started on the SMIDSY crowd. I have a good friend in the police who has attended a score of motorbike accidents, mercifully most being low speed car-hits-bike accidents. The statement you can bet on being said is "I didn't see him". I am informed that a great number have looked at him with confusion, as he fills out the crash report, when they are asked "did you check your blind spot?". Jesus wept.
I asked doesnt the instructor teach you that!
No you’re meant to use your mirrors! So that’s what’s being taught out there, pish like signalling when going straight on at a mini roundabout, economy driving etc.
I do agree with those pictures the speeds past junctions and the overtakes on double whites are pretty shocking.
As far as I understand it the wording does not state "thou shalt not overtake" or similar. It is more ".. Illegal to straddle or cross a solid white line on "your side" of the road (obviously including double solid whites)
No exemption for bikes, although in some circumstances it is arguable that a biker has better visibility in certain situations when a biker "might " take advantage,(especially in first still pic above) but still strictly breaking a law. So, at your own peril, I guess.
No exemption for bikes, although in some circumstances it is arguable that a biker has better visibility in certain situations when a biker "might " take advantage,(especially in first still pic above) but still strictly breaking a law. So, at your own peril, I guess.
moanthebairns said:
unbroken lines - NO OVERTAKING unless you are overtaking a vehicle, horse, cyclist, mad old age pensioner out for a hoon in their mobility scooter traveling at under 10 mph.
Not quite.:Highway Code said:
129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
The word 'overtaking' isn't mentioned. If you can pass without crossing the line, that's OK.Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
The overtaking rules are summarised here:
https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/overt...
Note Rule 165.
Those white lines in the two top pictures weren't put on the road with consideration of a vehicle with c.600 bhp/ton.
Both those overtakes were reasonable, IMO, given the vehicles in question and excellent visibility afforded to a motorcyclist.
If there were no road markings at all, anywhere, my judgement on that would be the same.
Though his overall ride wasn't perhaps very sensible.
Both those overtakes were reasonable, IMO, given the vehicles in question and excellent visibility afforded to a motorcyclist.
If there were no road markings at all, anywhere, my judgement on that would be the same.
Though his overall ride wasn't perhaps very sensible.
They are very cut and dry with the white lines.
As an EFAD (emergency driver) driver for the fire service, even on blue lights we are not entitled to cross double white lines. This however, is something you judge at the time and obviously breach if needed. But the law states, if you are following a car etc, they need to pull in and be stationary before we can go around them.
The only times you are allowed have already been stated above, regarding horses, maintenance vehicles (with arrows) travelling less than 10mph, etc etc etc.
.......However, I do agree that every vehicle is different, and a safe overtake on a bike is most definitely not a safe overtake for a fire engine weighing 10+ tonnes on a good day!
As an EFAD (emergency driver) driver for the fire service, even on blue lights we are not entitled to cross double white lines. This however, is something you judge at the time and obviously breach if needed. But the law states, if you are following a car etc, they need to pull in and be stationary before we can go around them.
The only times you are allowed have already been stated above, regarding horses, maintenance vehicles (with arrows) travelling less than 10mph, etc etc etc.
.......However, I do agree that every vehicle is different, and a safe overtake on a bike is most definitely not a safe overtake for a fire engine weighing 10+ tonnes on a good day!
Edited by Planter on Friday 11th April 11:22
it states to see rule 129 at the overtaking section
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
pretty clear cut....
not that I want to sound preachy or that but knowing the highway code is probably the best, easiest piece of advance riding/driving you can do. im f
king amazed that so many are clueless over it. Read it once to pass a test then never again.
the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road. I gave her my book, she never read it, I bought her a cd, she just done the tests....fk her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book.
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
pretty clear cut....
not that I want to sound preachy or that but knowing the highway code is probably the best, easiest piece of advance riding/driving you can do. im f
king amazed that so many are clueless over it. Read it once to pass a test then never again.the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road. I gave her my book, she never read it, I bought her a cd, she just done the tests....f
k her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book. N Dentressangle said:
moanthebairns said:
unbroken lines - NO OVERTAKING unless you are overtaking a vehicle, horse, cyclist, mad old age pensioner out for a hoon in their mobility scooter traveling at under 10 mph.
Not quite.:Highway Code said:
129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
The word 'overtaking' isn't mentioned. If you can pass without crossing the line, that's OK.Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26
The overtaking rules are summarised here:
https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/overt...
Note Rule 165.
overtaking/passing there the same thing really
i suppose you call tomato sauce ketchup
moanthebairns said:
the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road. I gave her my book, she never read it, I bought her a cd, she just done the tests....fk her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book.
k her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book. 
Planter said:
moanthebairns said:
the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road. I gave her my book, she never read it, I bought her a cd, she just done the tests....fk her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book.
k her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book. kED ME RIGHT OFF. I booked it for her two months ago, every night I tried to get her to read a chapter a night (god they only take 5 minutes) "NUT, I can’t learn by reading".
Ok I thought new approach. I sat down with her and done some mock tests, explaining the answer and giving examples like remember when we go to stirling castle for pizza and I come down that huge whoooore of a hill my car is in a low gear or when I act like a dick in your works car park when its icy look how easy I can do a handbrake turn in the ice, the car skids more. NUT, caused fights.
Never again, she can sit there like a f
king moron failing it wondering why the world is so unfair. It boils my blood, she wants to learn to drive but just do the driving part. I never spoke to her for the rest of the night I was that pissed at her. I could understand if she failed her driving test id be totally sympathetic, I could understand if she had to pass the test for work and didnt really want to learn how to drive and failed but she wants to do this, im not going to sit there and go “oh unlucky” BECAUSE YOU NEVER READ ONE PAGE OF THE fkING BOOK YOU STUPID bh! PUT SOME fkING EFFORT IN YOU fkING RETARD. Then I would go “unlucky”.Im away for a fag grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Edited by moanthebairns on Friday 11th April 11:42
moanthebairns said:
Planter said:
moanthebairns said:
the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road. I gave her my book, she never read it, I bought her a cd, she just done the tests....fk her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book.
k her, she can make her own way to the test station for the re-sit I am not driving/sitting around like a fanny for 3 hours because shes to fking ignorant to read a book. kED ME RIGHT OFF. I booked it for her two months ago, every night I tried to get her to read a chapter a night (god they only take 5 minutes) "NUT, I can’t learn by reading".
Ok I thought new approach. I sat down with her and done some mock tests, explaining the answer and giving examples like remember when we go to stirling castle for pizza and I come down that huge whoooore of a hill my car is in a low gear or when I act like a dick in your works car park when its icy look how easy I can do a handbrake turn in the ice, the car skids more. NUT, caused fights.
Never again, she can sit there like a f
king moron failing it wondering why the world is so unfair. It boils my blood, she wants to learn to drive but just do the driving part. I never spoke to her for the rest of the night I was that pissed at her. I could understand if she failed her driving test id be totally sympathetic, I could understand if she had to pass the test for work and didnt really want to learn how to drive and failed but she wants to do this, im not going to sit there and go “oh unlucky” BECAUSE YOU NEVER READ ONE PAGE OF THE fkING BOOK YOU STUPID bh! PUT SOME fkING EFFORT IN YOU fkING RETARD. Then I would go “unlucky”.Im away for a fag grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Edited by moanthebairns on Friday 11th April 11:42
However, I had a typical farmer mate, he failed 9 times because he couldnt be assed to read, and because he had driven tractors since he could piss for himself. So assumed he would pass it easy.........how wrong he was!!
moanthebairns said:
not that I want to sound preachy or that but knowing the highway code is probably the best, easiest piece of advance riding/driving you can do. im fking amazed that so many are clueless over it. Read it once to pass a test then never again.
the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road.
Ironic from someone who thought a solid white line meant No Overtaking.king amazed that so many are clueless over it. Read it once to pass a test then never again.the other half failed her theory test last night by 11 points, she didnt understand why I was so pissed that she wants to learn how to drive and not learn the rules of the road.
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