Is this too fast for the road?
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
moanthebairns said:
Dr Jekyll said:
moanthebairns said:
I very much doubt ON A SINGLE LANE with double whites you could overtake a bike with enough room without clipping the double whites, unless they were in the gutter for a left hander coming up or waved you through.
Which is irrelevant to the original question of whether solid lines prohibit overtaking. They don't.
d of the year award. I wonder who will be next to scrutinise ever word of another posters email in a vain attempt to win a pedantic bd award from you or will you retain the honors? Even though we all thought single lane carriageways, I merely didnt think to categorise every possible foreseeable event/road that could occur in a post on pistonheads. shudder......
doesnt change the fact however on a single carriageway you cant legally.
king bd when I pointed out that it didn't exist. Distinguishing between PROHIBITED and LEGAL is hardly pedantry.Doesn't alter the fact that on a single carriageway you can legally. Otherwise why have 2 lanes on the road in the picture?
so when does "passing" becoming overtaking?
id say you pass a parked car or pass a cyclist.
we have a boy on here who is an emergency driver being told NO to overtaking
I don't think you can safely pass a bike at speed in a normal rode lane width, its just really not possible unless they are in the gutter. so you could still get done for dangerous driving even if you argue the wording in the highway code. That's all you are really doing.
rich_b said:
moanthebairns said:
if that was the case he could have done you for rule 163 as i stated
163 states you should do something, not you must. Big difference.
rich_b said:
I got 3 points once for coming back in post-overtake about 2 metres(!) after a solid line started again on my side of the road. Unmarked car, who was obviously in a bad mood after seeing mates I was with speeding - 3 points for them too.
I don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. If the road is a reasonable width and you give cars a couple of seconds (which bikers like the KTM rider can't seem to spare) they will often drift slightly to the left and you can pass in your own lane. Everybody's happy.
+1. I too don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. The KTM rider had no restraint. I'd argue that restraint is a key skill for biking. If I show no restraint on track, I'll 'charge the turn' once too often and bin it. If I show no restraint on the road, I'll ultimately get nicked or banned (or worse).I don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. If the road is a reasonable width and you give cars a couple of seconds (which bikers like the KTM rider can't seem to spare) they will often drift slightly to the left and you can pass in your own lane. Everybody's happy.
rich_b said:
163 states you should do something, not you must. Big difference.
The copper actually pulled the car I overtook and asked him if I crossed the white lines and fair play the Nova driver he said no. He then turned to me Copper - "You overtook that car on double white lines so I'm going to issue you with a fixed penalty"
Me - "I didn't cross the lines "
Copper - "It doesn't matter it's still illegal"
Me - "Oh really, I'll see you in court"
etc etc
I won
moanthebairns said:
so when does "passing" becoming overtaking?
id say you pass a parked car or pass a cyclist.
we have a boy on here who is an emergency driver being told NO to overtaking
I don't think you can safely pass a bike at speed in a normal rode lane width, its just really not possible unless they are in the gutter. so you could still get done for dangerous driving even if you argue the wording in the highway code. That's all you are really doing.
I've no idea why we think there is some distinction between passing and overtaking.id say you pass a parked car or pass a cyclist.
we have a boy on here who is an emergency driver being told NO to overtaking
I don't think you can safely pass a bike at speed in a normal rode lane width, its just really not possible unless they are in the gutter. so you could still get done for dangerous driving even if you argue the wording in the highway code. That's all you are really doing.
The relevant distinction is between OVERTAKING and CROSSING THE SOLID LINE.
The emergency driver said he was told not to CROSS THE SOLID LINE.
Overtake without crossing the line, fine.
Cross the solid line, illegal.
Presumably you think going over the white line is fine providing you aren't overtaking anybody.
I have never advocated passing a bike at speed in a 'normal' lane width whatever that is. But there are circumstances, especially filtering past slow moving traffic, but a bike can pass a car safely without crossing the solid white line.
SVS said:
rich_b said:
I got 3 points once for coming back in post-overtake about 2 metres(!) after a solid line started again on my side of the road. Unmarked car, who was obviously in a bad mood after seeing mates I was with speeding - 3 points for them too.
I don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. If the road is a reasonable width and you give cars a couple of seconds (which bikers like the KTM rider can't seem to spare) they will often driftz slightly to the left and you can pass in your own lane. Everybody's happy.
+1. I too don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. The KTM rider had no restraint. I'd argue that restraint is a key skill for biking. If I show no restraint on track, I'll 'charge the turn' once too often and bin it. If I show no restraint on the road, I'll ultimately get nicked or banned (or worse).I don't really see the need to wilfully cross solid lines. If the road is a reasonable width and you give cars a couple of seconds (which bikers like the KTM rider can't seem to spare) they will often driftz slightly to the left and you can pass in your own lane. Everybody's happy.
black-k1 said:
For me, from the pictures above, only the speed on the approach to the junction with the van waiting appears to fail my definition of safe.
Me too. I don't get this argument over crossing the solid whites either. It's simple that if any part of you or the bike cross the line then you're nicked in the majority of cases. It's not the tyres crossing, it's you elbow or mirror that will see you nicked. black-k1 said:
Why the concern over solid white lines. If he were to be nicked his speed will get him much worse punishment.
I asked the question nothing to do with the clip. Sorry i took the thread off topic. For eg you come up behind a bike doing 45 in a 60 in a double white line section. He see's your going a quicker pace, being a nice chap he moves left gives you room to pass safely.
I wondered if that was legal to pass if you stay on your side of the road as your not going over the lines.
Dr Jekyll said:
I've no idea why we think there is some distinction between passing and overtaking.
The relevant distinction is between OVERTAKING and CROSSING THE SOLID LINE.
The emergency driver said he was told not to CROSS THE SOLID LINE.
Overtake without crossing the line, fine.
Cross the solid line, illegal.
Presumably you think going over the white line is fine providing you aren't overtaking anybody.
I have never advocated passing a bike at speed in a 'normal' lane width whatever that is. But there are circumstances, especially filtering past slow moving traffic, but a bike can pass a car safely without crossing the solid white line.
I stated in a reply when someone asked that you couldn't overtake with a solid line UNLESS you were overtaking someone driving under 10mph did you not read that or see that!? that's the only time id go over a solid whiteThe relevant distinction is between OVERTAKING and CROSSING THE SOLID LINE.
The emergency driver said he was told not to CROSS THE SOLID LINE.
Overtake without crossing the line, fine.
Cross the solid line, illegal.
Presumably you think going over the white line is fine providing you aren't overtaking anybody.
I have never advocated passing a bike at speed in a 'normal' lane width whatever that is. But there are circumstances, especially filtering past slow moving traffic, but a bike can pass a car safely without crossing the solid white line.
so no I didn't just say NO OVERTAKING EVER... Filtering would be ok if the traffic was say jogging speed.
seeing as you disagreed with that (maybe you never read that I said you COULD OVERTAKE SLOWER MOVING CARS ETC) i could only draw the conclusion you done it above this speed.....
moanthebairns said:
unbroken lines - NO OVERTAKING unless you are overtaking a vehicle, horse, cyclist, mad old age pensioner out for a hoon in their mobility scooter traveling at under 10 mph.
Incidentally the overtaking if they are doing < 10 MPH exemption for crossing lines applies only to horses cyclists and road maintenance vehicles, not mobility scooters.Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 11th April 17:29
moanthebairns said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I've no idea why we think there is some distinction between passing and overtaking.
The relevant distinction is between OVERTAKING and CROSSING THE SOLID LINE.
The emergency driver said he was told not to CROSS THE SOLID LINE.
Overtake without crossing the line, fine.
Cross the solid line, illegal.
Presumably you think going over the white line is fine providing you aren't overtaking anybody.
I have never advocated passing a bike at speed in a 'normal' lane width whatever that is. But there are circumstances, especially filtering past slow moving traffic, but a bike can pass a car safely without crossing the solid white line.
I stated in a reply when someone asked that you couldn't overtake with a solid line UNLESS you were overtaking someone driving under 10mph did you not read that or see that!? that's the only time id go over a solid whiteThe relevant distinction is between OVERTAKING and CROSSING THE SOLID LINE.
The emergency driver said he was told not to CROSS THE SOLID LINE.
Overtake without crossing the line, fine.
Cross the solid line, illegal.
Presumably you think going over the white line is fine providing you aren't overtaking anybody.
I have never advocated passing a bike at speed in a 'normal' lane width whatever that is. But there are circumstances, especially filtering past slow moving traffic, but a bike can pass a car safely without crossing the solid white line.
so no I didn't just say NO OVERTAKING EVER... Filtering would be ok if the traffic was say jogging speed.
seeing as you disagreed with that (maybe you never read that I said you COULD OVERTAKE SLOWER MOVING CARS ETC) i could only draw the conclusion you done it above this speed.....
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 11th April 17:30
Dr Jekyll said:
moanthebairns said:
unbroken lines - NO OVERTAKING unless you are overtaking a vehicle, horse, cyclist, mad old age pensioner out for a hoon in their mobility scooter traveling at under 10 mph.
Incidentally the overtaking if they are doing < 10 MPH exemption for crossing lines applies only to horses cyclists and road maintenance vehicles, not mobility scooters.1) It's not <10mph, it's not exceeding 10mph.
2) It's only a road maintenance vehicle that is displaying the required sign to the rear (not just any road maintenance vehicle).
Dr Jekyll said:
moanthebairns said:
unbroken lines - NO OVERTAKING unless you are overtaking a vehicle, horse, cyclist, mad old age pensioner out for a hoon in their mobility scooter traveling at under 10 mph.
Incidentally the overtaking if they are doing < 10 MPH exemption for crossing lines applies only to horses cyclists and road maintenance vehicles, not mobility scooters.Edited by Dr Jekyll on Friday 11th April 17:29
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