Is this too fast for the road?

[StuB]

Tim85 said:

Im localish to squires. Well huddersfield way so will get out at some point. Squires do the worst bacon sarnies though. Undercooked fat riddled death butties

Much better fayre & roads up in North Yorks

[jimbop1]

StuB said:

Good to see that there is some con census toward 'speed' & 'fast' versus 'safe' & 'un-necessary risk' amongst us. There is clear distinction for most of us it seems.

Tell you what, I actually think (not in provocative mode) this IS useful as it's none of us so ego's less dented and bruised, we can align perception/expectation more critique ing this and it's not about right & wrong but we sure as hell need to keep learning. I like the comments about observation, perception of a line (safe with visibility is not the same as quickest always, which is important when in a 'ride out', to know who does what & if someone does back off, they will have seen something you haven't etc.) and position/proximity. Also interesting for those progressing up the scale of skill/speed, what quicker riding requires etc..

As Steve said, thanks for the public service God of the KTM RC8, whom I'm sure will be a contender for a Darwin sooner or later.

If any Squires 'locals' fancy a run out, get in touch. North & East Yorks & North Lincs are fab.

I'll defo try to make some of the Northen Monkies runs too.

I'm up for it! I'm in the Manchester area but plan on taking my bike out to Yorkshire on Saturday. Are you riding Saturday?

Hopefully it's going to be my first ride if the year in the sunshine!

[Dave200]

sc0tt said:

No faster than some of the PH rideouts I have been on.

And this is why we don't see a lot of objectivity in BB.

To me, the humble former holder of a CBT and fairly experienced car driver (c.200k miles), that is completely mental behaviour on a public road. Excessive/inappropriate speed, crossing white lines, taking chances without good visibility - none of this would be acceptable in a car.

Is this sort of riding commonplace?

Edited by Dave200 on Wednesday 9th April 13:05

[EvoBarry]

I'm a little in both camps as it were, I don't see an issue with "excess" speed in the right time/place, but his riding was selfish and downright dangerous in places. The cyclist pass was asking for trouble, he shot past a junction that already had a car waiting, crossing solid white lines, wheelies in a village is just giving us all a bad rep, the list goes on. The excuses that he's young, testing a bike, we've all done it, are all well and good but the net result is it still gives the community a bad image as these are the types that motorists remember, not those of us who stick to speed limits in town and save the WOT for the big open roads

[H100S]

StuB said:

Good to see that there is some con census toward 'speed' & 'fast' versus 'safe' & 'un-necessary risk' amongst us. There is clear distinction for most of us it seems.

Tell you what, I actually think (not in provocative mode) this IS useful as it's none of us so ego's less dented and bruised, we can align perception/expectation more critique ing this and it's not about right & wrong but we sure as hell need to keep learning. I like the comments about observation, perception of a line (safe with visibility is not the same as quickest always, which is important when in a 'ride out', to know who does what & if someone does back off, they will have seen something you haven't etc.) and position/proximity. Also interesting for those progressing up the scale of skill/speed, what quicker riding requires etc..

As Steve said, thanks for the public service God of the KTM RC8, whom I'm sure will be a contender for a Darwin sooner or later.

If any Squires 'locals' fancy a run out, get in touch. North & East Yorks & North Lincs are fab.

I'll defo try to make some of the Northen Monkies runs too.

I'm Doncaster based so quite close. Often busy but would love to have a ride out.

Back to the clip, my thoughts are you make your own choices and so long as you don't harm or spoil others then at the end of the day you must live with the consequences should you get caught or should you throw it down the road. For me built up areas are a place for respectful riding and solid white lines are there for good reason, out of the NSL country roads I tend to open her up a bit but never take big risks, I enjoy 7 tenths riding and enjoying speed with a big margin for error rather than 9 tenths and running out of talent. That's much faster then I would ever ride on the road.

The area around Squires frequently has fatalities particularly the road from squires back to South Milford, cold tyres, rush of blood after seeing others, big acceleration under the bridge followed by bike in farmers field. Happens every season.

[StuB]

jimbop1 said:

I'm up for it! I'm in the Manchester area but plan on taking my bike out to Yorkshire on Saturday. Are you riding Saturday?

Hopefully it's going to be my first ride if the year in the sunshine!

Scotland this weekend, Cadwell the weekend after, then Italy, the Scotland again! Should have checked my bloody diary!

[Dave200]

H100S said:

Back to the clip, my thoughts are you make your own choices and so long as you don't harm or spoil others then at the end of the day you must live with the consequences should you get caught or should you throw it down the road.

That all works just fine, in principle. In practice, I feel for the poor paramedic, policeman or fireman who scrapes the bits out of the scenery; and for the poor sods whose suffer delays because of road closures etc.

I'm all for going quickly, but driving/riding like that on the public road is always selfish, and there's no spin you can put on that.

[H100S]

Dave200 said:

H100S said:

Back to the clip, my thoughts are you make your own choices and so long as you don't harm or spoil others then at the end of the day you must live with the consequences should you get caught or should you throw it down the road.

That all works just fine, in principle. In practice, I feel for the poor paramedic, policeman or fireman who scrapes the bits out of the scenery; and for the poor sods whose suffer delays because of road closures etc.

I'm all for going quickly, but driving/riding like that on the public road is always selfish, and there's no spin you can put on that.

What spin? As I said "so long as you don't harm or spoil others."

The emergency services sad as it sounds deal with much worse on a regular basis. They choose their career and expect to see serious injuries and fatalities most of which could have been preventable.

[LoonR1]

Dave200 said:

And this is why we don't see a lot of objectivity in BB.

To me, the humble former holder of a CBT and fairly experienced car driver (c.200k miles), that is completely mental behaviour on a public road. Excessive/inappropriate speed, crossing white lines, taking chances without good visibility - none of this would be acceptable in a car.

Plenty of objectivity with more condemning him than supporting him. The only issue I see is the village stuff, the NSL is fair game and so what about the solid whites there was a hell of a lot of visibility for the most part.

[MC Bodge]

LoonR1 said:

Plenty of objectivity with more condoning him than supporting him.

Do you mean Condemning?

Posting very questionable antics on the internet is fairly damaging for the cause.

LoonR1 said:

The only issue I see is the village stuff, the NSL is fair game and so what about the solid whites there was a hell of a lot of visibility for the most part.

NSL areas (ever decreasing in number...) can still require some discretion -something that this guy demonstrated very little of, anywhere.

These days, solid white lines are often in places that provide more than adequate visibility for the purposes of overtaking, even on a fairly modest bike. Overtaking whilst approaching blind crests/bends/junctions that would give insufficient distance in the event of meeting somebody like ones self coming the other way is generally a bad idea. A rider shouldn't need solid lines to tell them that.

[H100S]

LoonR1 said:

Dave200 said:

And this is why we don't see a lot of objectivity in BB.

To me, the humble former holder of a CBT and fairly experienced car driver (c.200k miles), that is completely mental behaviour on a public road. Excessive/inappropriate speed, crossing white lines, taking chances without good visibility - none of this would be acceptable in a car.

Plenty of objectivity with more condemning him than supporting him. The only issue I see is the village stuff, the NSL is fair game and so what about the solid whites there was a hell of a lot of visibility for the most part.

The white lines here have been extended in the laat 12 months due to high rate of accidents. Coming the opposite direction often has bike riders 'on it' due to close proximity of the biker café, so despite the good visibility on camera local knowledge tells me this is a risky move in a heavily policed area.

[LoonR1]

MC Bodge said:

Do you mean condemning

Yes I did and edited it almost immediately so that was some fast quoting. Fat fingers on an iPhone is my excuse.

[Mr OCD]

What's the big deal with crossing white lines... I do it all the time. If you have the visibility to do so safely on your motorbike then I do not see any issue with it. Bikes accelerate rapidly compared to a car so require less distance to pass safely...

As for the riding ... it's not great, it's not bad either and yes it's perhaps quick (although I reckon the video is creating the impression of speed) but I'm not going to preach. I've ridden faster where time / place allows it ...

Following a certain someone down the A6 back from Cumbria on one of his vast collection of BMW's is one time I recall from memory.

[Tim85]

Mr OCD said:

What's the big deal with crossing white lines... I do it all the time. If you have the visibility to do so safely on your motorbike then I do not see any issue with it. Bikes accelerate rapidly compared to a car so require less distance to pass safely...

As for the riding ... it's not great, it's not bad either and yes it's perhaps quick (although I reckon the video is creating the impression of speed) but I'm not going to preach. I've ridden faster where time / place allows it ...

Following a certain someone down the A6 back from Cumbria on one of his vast collection of BMW's is one time I recall from memory.

I sometimes cross white lines when really visible but I'm wary as a good friend got a phone call after coming back from devils bridge to inform him that a lady had watched him overtake on solids and she felt intimidated and slowed down or something. She took his reg and called the police. He only got a bking but still I don't want phone calls like that.

[GTIR]

I stopped watching after he started weaving around like he was a WSB rider.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Mr OCD said:

What's the big deal with crossing white lines... I do it all the time.

If its a solid White line it is against the law to do so. If you persist it is only a matter of time before you loose your licence or kill someone.

Stupid boy!

[jimbop1]

StuB said:

Scotland this weekend, Cadwell the weekend after, then Italy, the Scotland again! Should have checked my bloody diary!

Alright for some.

[SVS]

black-k1 said:

Not excessively quick although the speed and wheelie through the village was totally unnecessary. His lines through corners are crap and I don't think he ever looked behind so it's just as well there wasn't a bike plod there as he'd never have known .... until he stopped, by which time he'd have done enough to be eligible for a holiday at Her Majesty's Pleasure.

+1 I agree with Black-K1: not excessively quick, but he looked crap. Crap cornering lines, a lot of quick-slow instead of being smooth, a general lack of smoothness in some of his transitions, and I also didn't see him look behind once.

Now, where do I apply for that IAM Armchair Observer badge?

[MC Bodge]

SVS said:

Now, where do I apply for that IAM Armchair Observer badge?

Here

[Andy XRV]

StuB said:

Good to see that there is some con census toward 'speed' & 'fast' versus 'safe' & 'un-necessary risk' amongst us. There is clear distinction for most of us it seems.

I concur. I've been on quite a few BB ride outs and although some have been brisk no one has ever ridden and taken un-necessary risks like that, even when preserving their front tyre