Sports car to Bike
Discussion
Hooli said:
LordFlathead said:
This. And since when is an Integra a "sportscar"
My first thought too!Opinions are great but without actual experience of the subject matter they hold little value.
As for a 125 being more engaging and fun, if you only every drive in congested cities sure i agree without a doubt. Otherwise no, just no.
It's a shopping car.
You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Revels101 said:
A car designed to be fun and engaging to drive and competent on track in standard form at the sacrifice of comfort and practicality, how is it not a sports car?
Opinions are great but without actual experience of the subject matter they hold little value.
As for a 125 being more engaging and fun, if you only every drive in congested cities sure i agree without a doubt. Otherwise no, just no.
It depends on your perspective I think. Personally I'd rather be on a 125 any day, and I had a Civic Type R. The DC5 is regarded as being that extra bit better, but it's a very similar experience. Inside a box, on 4 wheels, even a box with a folding roof, is going to have a hard time topping being on the outside, on two wheels. The DC5 is a quick and competent car, and if you only drive cars, it's up there in fun terms - I had a great time blasting about in my EP3, but at the end of the day, they're still not as involving or fun as two wheels. Just my opinion of course.Opinions are great but without actual experience of the subject matter they hold little value.
As for a 125 being more engaging and fun, if you only every drive in congested cities sure i agree without a doubt. Otherwise no, just no.
LordFlathead said:
It's a shopping car.
You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Ever driven one?You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
The rest is semantics and preconceptions.
Revels101 said:
Ever driven one?
The rest is semantics and preconceptions.
It is a shopping car. I love Type Rs, they are great, but it is part of a line of practical, everyday cars that were reworked into performance versions. If Honda really had wanted to build the DC5 from the ground up, it would look vastly different, wouldn't be front-engined or FWD, and would have more than 4 cylinders. They'd probably call it the NSX.The rest is semantics and preconceptions.
The DC5 is a great compromise of practicality and performance. Decent sized boot, FWD for safe, easy all weather handling, a fairly frugal, light and small 4 cylinder engine and FWD mean space-efficient packaging meaning plenty of interior room in the car etc. It's not some hardcore track machine - and neither is the DC2 while we're at it, a lack of NVH damping doesn't really make the Integra any less of a practical car.
Ignoring the semantics over whether the DC5 is a sports car or sporty car for one moment, I've had a DC2 and currently an EP3. I ride my 2002 FZS600 to work and back every day (snow/ice aside) and the car sits on the drive for practical duties. The TypeRs are great cars but they're still cars at the end of the day, my Fazer gets me to work feeling more alive than most cars could. And if the Fazer gets boring I have the K8 waiting patiently for weekend duties
Get it done OP, you'll be content with a "normal" car if you have a bike to play with.
Get it done OP, you'll be content with a "normal" car if you have a bike to play with.
Revels101 said:
Ever driven one?
The rest is semantics and preconceptions.
Yes I have, and also a few Civic Type R's so no semantics and preconceptions there then. The rest is semantics and preconceptions.
I loathe front wheel drive cars with a passion and mostly my cars are RWD V8's. I don't like the whole V-Tec thing, they make bugger all torque downstairs and if you need it you have to wait around for the little motor to build up and do its thing, which by then normally means you've missed whatever opportunity was required.
They rev highly which is against my preference for lots of torque down low and lazy power. Also if you produce big gob fulls of torque down low you tend to use less fuel and create less wear which is why my 5.0 V8 Porsche has done nearly 180k miles and it is still as fresh as it was 20 years ago.
I guess I just hate Honda cars, with the exception of the NSX which is indeed a proper car but that is also because it is not front wheel drive and it is mid-engined.
I absolutely rate Honda bikes though and have had at least a dozen CBR1000 F's, again because they make a lot of torque and are bullet-proof
Once you have done your A2 have a good look at the KTM 390, needs to be dropped 1bhp by KTM to stay in the restriction, but they are a cracking ride. 390 engine in a 125 frame. Town and B road hoot. If you think the 'teg handles well wait till you start hooning on one of them.
Always preferred a unrestricted bike "feel" to a restricted bike, especially the ones with throttle restriction.
Always preferred a unrestricted bike "feel" to a restricted bike, especially the ones with throttle restriction.
Mastodon2 said:
It is a shopping car. I love Type Rs, they are great, but it is part of a line of practical, everyday cars that were reworked into performance versions. If Honda really had wanted to build the DC5 from the ground up, it would look vastly different, wouldn't be front-engined or FWD, and would have more than 4 cylinders. They'd probably call it the NSX.
The DC5 is a great compromise of practicality and performance. Decent sized boot, FWD for safe, easy all weather handling, a fairly frugal, light and small 4 cylinder engine and FWD mean space-efficient packaging meaning plenty of interior room in the car etc. It's not some hardcore track machine - and neither is the DC2 while we're at it, a lack of NVH damping doesn't really make the Integra any less of a practical car.
Is the concept of a lightweight FF small displacement as anything other than a shopping trolley completely un-fathomable?The DC5 is a great compromise of practicality and performance. Decent sized boot, FWD for safe, easy all weather handling, a fairly frugal, light and small 4 cylinder engine and FWD mean space-efficient packaging meaning plenty of interior room in the car etc. It's not some hardcore track machine - and neither is the DC2 while we're at it, a lack of NVH damping doesn't really make the Integra any less of a practical car.
It's been done many times and many fantastic sports cars exist on the formula.
Is an "M3" (a tweaked 3 series) a sports car because of its displacement, number of cylinders or driven wheels. No, it's the whole package.
Picking at individual elements of a car and defining it though them is completely missing the point.
Anyway, i won't mess up the thread anymore.
To the OP, a 125 won't hold a candle to your current car for much more than a couple of weeks as a new rider. But they are cheap and if it's your first bike then a good starting point to get the feel of things.
I did a direct access a couple of years ago, but still have my YBR 250 as a city commuter where it's great. But i don't get much out of it going out 'for a ride' for that i take the car a DC2
On a bike, you are part of the chassis that loads your mental/sensory experience. That's what makes bike riding the adrenaline rush that it is - whether you are going 30 or 130mph, and the faster you go the greater the visual sensory experience it is.
In a car, you need to load the chassis up and go a lot faster relative to your scenery to get the same 'hit' as on a bike, and then some. A car rewards differently, but in general you need either:
1) a car chassis that loads up really quickly to the limit at slow speeds (eg, Elise/MX5/Ariel Atom etc), or
2) a car that can push the 4 wheeled boundary of speed/conditions/etc to the limit of your 'mental processing power' when being driven at speed.
And you can do (2) in any car, but having over 300hp/ton helps as things start to come at you really quickly.
In a car, you need to load the chassis up and go a lot faster relative to your scenery to get the same 'hit' as on a bike, and then some. A car rewards differently, but in general you need either:
1) a car chassis that loads up really quickly to the limit at slow speeds (eg, Elise/MX5/Ariel Atom etc), or
2) a car that can push the 4 wheeled boundary of speed/conditions/etc to the limit of your 'mental processing power' when being driven at speed.
And you can do (2) in any car, but having over 300hp/ton helps as things start to come at you really quickly.
RicharDC5 said:
I did this the other way round, sold my GSXR750 for a DC5 Integra. Brilliant car, and probably the best car I will ever own. I bought a Honda C90 in November with the intention of using it as a cheap tourer in the summer, but whenever the weather has been nice I've been on the '90 rather than in the 'teg.
Cars and bikes are too different to compare, but any bike is better than no bike at all! So do whichever test gets you on a bike for the summer.
Good post Richard. Cars and bikes are too different to compare, but any bike is better than no bike at all! So do whichever test gets you on a bike for the summer.
LordFlathead said:
It's a shopping car.
You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Ok, so M3 and C63 AMG owners shouldn't call their cars sports cars either? You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Let's just agree to disagree here.
I had been off bikes for a few years and had a Audi S4 and a TVR Cerbera, life was good
had a go on a 675, bought one, sold S4 and Cerbera.
now have a blade and an old diesel Merc, couldn't be happier.
...oh and a aprillia 125 scooter which is a hoot for commuting in the summer and saves a fortune over driving.
had a go on a 675, bought one, sold S4 and Cerbera.
now have a blade and an old diesel Merc, couldn't be happier.
...oh and a aprillia 125 scooter which is a hoot for commuting in the summer and saves a fortune over driving.
ZesPak said:
LordFlathead said:
It's a shopping car.
You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Ok, so M3 and C63 AMG owners shouldn't call their cars sports cars either? You put your shopping in it i.e. it has not been designed from the ground up to be a traditional sports car, like an MGB or an MX5 or an E-Type. If you had said, "it's a sporty car" then that might have been different.
Do a search on here there has been plenty of discussion about what defines a sports car. The last one was over 40 pages long
This thread will just go and go
cat/pigeons
Let's just agree to disagree here.
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