Another video for opinions

Another video for opinions

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LoonR1

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26,988 posts

176 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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In a nutshell a rider gets into a fracas with a car driver and car driver spits in his face. However, the bit I'd like your views on are his riding leading up to them clashing and his reaction afterwards.

http://youtu.be/APYn8zmwSBY

Oh, if as expected, everyone goes on and on about the spitting, which is absolutely disgusting, remember that that this doesn't absolve either party of their previous actions.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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It's hard to see what hear what was said, as the audio quality is so shockingly poor.

3DP

9,912 posts

233 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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spitting is assault in the UK - legally you can defend yourself...

GTIR

24,741 posts

265 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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3DP said:
spitting is assault in the UK - legally you can defend yourself...
By doing what?

Killing him and his whole family?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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GTIR said:
3DP said:
spitting is assault in the UK - legally you can defend yourself...
By doing what?

Killing him and his whole family?
Sausages (frozen), hammer, lawn......

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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It looks like a 3 lanes merging into 2 situation.

If I was approaching on my bike in the middle lane I would have hung back to allow the car to merge into lane 2.

-no point being dead/injured to prove a point that doesn't need to be made.

If the rider didn't notice or couldn't have anticipated that the Focus was going to move across then They probably shouldn't be riding on the road.

The driver seemed liked a lovely woman....I don't think

Ps. Another of those videos that makes me wonder why it was posted on YouTube. I'd have been embarrassed to have been involved.

Edited by MC Bodge on Friday 18th April 18:42

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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Biker seemed very confrontational.

If it had been me, I'd probably have eased off an given a brief toot. Life is too short.

Spitting however. I would have reported it. Disgusting.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

129 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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Why did the biker get off if he didn't expect it to escalate?

Don't get off and leave the bike parked in front of the car if you can't handle yourself...especially with a lone "woman". She gobbed in his face, so isn't really a woman anyway.

Personally I'd have just filtered to the lights. Meh.

covmutley

3,012 posts

189 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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In the very first second of the video, the biker is catching car in outside lane and arguably going a little too quickly. Ok, car pulls Out to merge, but its not that close. I'm pretty sure Highway Code now says people should be prepared to adjust their speed to let vehicles off a slip road in order to maintain flow of traffic.

And the woman, scum

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

187 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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Just why ? For both parties !

mopman94

417 posts

134 months

Friday 18th April 2014
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There are a few things to observe here.

Firstly why has he recorded this off his computer screen rather than just uploading the video, seems kind of... dumb.
Secondly he must have clearly seen the lane was going to merge so why not move out into the lane on the right, it was empty
Thirdly the video started to late, I didn't see any arrows on the road, she could have had the right of way.
Fourthly she seemed like a bit of a slag.
Fithly the guy on the bike was more than happy to confront her (when he really shouldn't have done because he shouldn't have let that whole thing happen anyway) like that but did nothing when she spat in his face... yeah.

To conclude my report... wow.

Jujuuk68

363 posts

156 months

Saturday 19th April 2014
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To be honest, only the first couple of seconds are of any relevance. You'd need to see the previous 10-15 seconds which have skillfully been edited out.

I don't know the road at all - was the left lane one merging onto a dual carriage way, or was the road simply narrowing from 3 lanes into 2?

If it was a 3 lanes into 2, she looks like she was simply following the road markings, not pulling out on anyone. And from 15-30seconds back it should have been apparent what was going on.

Having looked at the video several times, it does look like her lane has "ended" so it looks like the end of a lane where she should be filtering in.

So she should by the Highway code be adjusting her speed to allow her in. But then in the real world, on a busy road, with trafic from the right moving much quicker than the filter lane allows for, she might not have had much opportunity. And in the real world, whilst not "compelled" by the code to do so, it would have been the easiest thing in the world to slacken off the throttle and allow her to get on with it. If you see the car there, heading to the end of a slip road thats "ending", what do you expect her to do? Slam on the brakes and park up?

My view on the limited info is that whilst she was possilby actively in the wrong, making a misjudgement, he did nothing at all to put himself in the right.

And no one cares when you go bouncing down the road on your arse, shouting "its not my fault".

But thats a riding point of view, and not a claims one.

voyager1

22 posts

121 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Poor obs from the driver and the rider and an overreaction from both.


Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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What a knob on the bike, I think most people that wear camera's actively seek confrontation with others, poor riding, then being the big man taking it to a woman, I was hoping she sparked him out, that would have been worth watching, unlike this garbage.

LoonR1

Original Poster:

26,988 posts

176 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Good to see most agree with my thoughts. When I tried to wain this to the rider in question (via Facebook) his reaction was to threaten to "choke me". Little happened on that score.

For info the road is here. Hopefully it will work as I'm on my phone

http://goo.gl/maps/5oUEn

MC Bodge

21,551 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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LoonR1 said:
Good to see most agree with my thoughts. When I tried to wain this to the rider in question (via Facebook) his reaction was to threaten to "choke me". Little happened on that score.

For info the road is here. Hopefully it will work as I'm on my phone

http://goo.gl/maps/5oUEn
Ah, St Peter's Way. That junction is a bit of a mess, and fairly obviously so. All the more reason to pay attention and give a bit of lee-way, I would suggest.

I wonder if I ever see this rider about around here?

Threatening to choke you seems a bit odd. Anyway, all you'd need to do is spit at him...

Dodd90

695 posts

162 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Good video quality that Loon wink

Dodd90

695 posts

162 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Good video quality that Loon wink

LeadFarmer

7,411 posts

130 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Driving/riding faults asisde, the biker was suffering from 'red mist' and had no excusable reason to get off his bike, approach the female chav and rant at her. A clear case of road rage on the riders part. At this point he may even have been committing a public order offence by using threatening behaviour towards the slag chav. A good rider would either have anticipated the cars manoeuvre, or at lease brushed it aside afterwards. He has anger management issues.

But the female chav had no reason to then get out of her car either. They are as bad as each other. Probably both council dole scrounging scum!

Edited by LeadFarmer on Sunday 20th April 19:06

defblade

7,392 posts

212 months

Sunday 20th April 2014
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Ok, so the car should probably have given way. But it was hardly a SMIDSY pull out. Looked like the rider could and should have either lifted for a second, or powered around as there was room on the right (some danger of the dozy driver going over to the right hand lane as well though?).

Anyhow, the queued traffic gives a great opportunity to either feel smug at how far behind they suddenly are as you filter to the front, or if you're feeling angry, give them the beans then filter off anyway.


As said above, it does appear that camera bearers go out of their way to get in confrontations, which worries me slightly as I have a camera and waterproof case sat in front of me here waiting to be turned into a bike dashcam when I get my new bike wink Hopefully it's only the ones who feel it necessary to post to youtube...