S1000rr anti wheelie removal

[chillo]

LoonR1 said:

We're at cross purposes.

I'm not talking about TC or ABS or anti-wheelie. I was talking about turning every piece of electronic trickery off on the bike. If that is down then the bike becomes unrideable apparently. It has nothing to do with the advertised rider gimmicks, it is the other stuff in the ECU, which apparently can be switched off with a load of daft button pressing like on X-Boxes to get extra lives or something.

Got to be honest but have never heard about the RR having this 'hidden feature' and that it's the only way that you can truly turn off the anti wheelie electrickery.
Anyone actually done this?

Edited by chillo on Friday 25th April 23:39

[LoonR1]

chillo said:

LoonR1 said:

We're at cross purposes.

I'm not talking about TC or ABS or anti-wheelie. I was talking about turning every piece of electronic trickery off on the bike. If that is down then the bike becomes unrideable apparently. It has nothing to do with the advertised rider gimmicks, it is the other stuff in the ECU, which apparently can be switched off with a load of daft button pressing like on X-Boxes to get extra lives or something.

Got to be honest but have never heard about the RR having this 'hidden feature' and that it's the only way that you can truly turn off the anti wheelie electrickery.
Anyone actually done this?

Edited by chillo on Friday 25th April 23:39

Why is everyone obsessed with the anti-wheelie element. Let me repeat this once again. You can dial down or turn off all the advertised electronic stuff using the published material by BMW.p, I think. However, there will still be some electronic intrusion in the background, this will NOT be anti-wheelie, it will be some other stuff, much like the Aprilia stuff that bassgt was talking about.

If the whole lot is switched off then bike becomes unrideable apparently.

Is that clear enough. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TURNING OFF THE ANTI-WHEELIE.

[SAS Tom]

LoonR1 said:

Why is everyone obsessed with the anti-wheelie element. Let me repeat this once again. You can dial down or turn off all the advertised electronic stuff using the published material by BMW.p, I think. However, there will still be some electronic intrusion in the background, this will NOT be anti-wheelie, it will be some other stuff, much like the Aprilia stuff that bassgt was talking about.

If the whole lot is switched off then bike becomes unrideable apparently.

Is that clear enough. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TURNING OFF THE ANTI-WHEELIE.

So you can't turn the anti wheelie off then?

[Fort Jefferson]

LoonR1 said:

Fort Jefferson said:

If it needs all the electronics to make it rideable, then there is something wrong with it. There are loads of litre sports bikes about with superchargers and turbochargers on them, with more than twice the power of a S1000RR and people seem to ride them fine.

What you mean is they seem fine to pootle about on them at 10% of their potential.

You need to get out more.

[LoonR1]

Where did they OP go? I was looking forward to this.

[catso]

Maybe he turned the anti-wheelie off?

and flipped it...

[LoonR1]

catso said:

Maybe he turned the anti-wheelie off?

and flipped it...

[Mr2Mike]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Ikle wheelie on a bike with all sorts of electricity. (digital)

I want to see some pics of you holding a wheelie on the FS1E. I managed this for quite a distance in my early teens on a ratty old FS1E DX field bike, though only because my uncle was on the back. It also end up with some minor injuries to me, him and the bike.

[julian64]

Oh my god, this threads still running

[LoonR1]

julian64 said:

Oh my god, this threads still running

Not really I just resurrected it.

[julian64]

I have to say that I don't believe the unrideable comments regarding the bike. Its only a bike not a tie fighter.

Having had a sucession of bikes in my life that you wouldn't dare to take your hands off the bars doesn't make them unrideable. Tank slappers on an RE5 didn't make it unrideable, it just improved its turning circle. Trying to take a corner on castle tyres on a top heavy xs850 wasn't unridable, it was 'finely balanced'

I never put a steering damper on my R1 because head wobble was only to remind you that the throttle needed to be increased rather than decreased.

Can you point me to the place where I can learn how to take it all off mine and I'll go for a test drive and see.

(if you don't hear from me again, I would consider all the above to be drivel)

[thatdude]

lengster said:

Err I ride it in slick mode all the time,any of the other modes it's rubbish,I'm very sorry but I'm quite capable of riding it without aids,midrange is at best only the same as my old gixer k5 thou,the power delivery is very linear and if you need all the rain n namby pamby settings I'm sorry but get a 600 or 750,have you actually got one or ridden one properly? Rain Mode borders dangerous,there is zero throttle after about quarter throttle,I'm not sure which bike tester said its un rideable without all the traction settings? It's well known the 10 and 11 models were way Ott systems and have to be turned off especially on track days,even in race it will cut power when not needed,it's more scary for me to have a bike not give me full power when I've asked for it than it than a bike the that knocks power back 25% un expectedly.even at Cadwell running without traction I've only had two slides which were easy to catch and in the same place as my k5 would do it.

Pff that's no acheivement. My bike didnt even come with rider aids in the first place. Hell, I even have to operate a little "choke" lever to get it started when cold! And the suspension and brakes are rubbish. And I saved a front lock-up once*!

• don't know how. Higher powers intervened. I shat myself.

[bennyboysvuk]

julian64 said:

I have to say that I don't believe the unrideable comments regarding the bike. Its only a bike not a tie fighter.

When Loon said that "other stuff" gets turned off as well, I suspect this might mean engine management type stuff, which would cock up how the engine responds. I can imagine that would make it unrideable or at least a bit of a dog.

e.g. I could probably ride my R1 if I had to adjust the EXUP and inlet length myself, but it would be a PITA and much easier to ride if done by the ECU.

[julian64]

bennyboysvuk said:

julian64 said:

I have to say that I don't believe the unrideable comments regarding the bike. Its only a bike not a tie fighter.

When Loon said that "other stuff" gets turned off as well, I suspect this might mean engine management type stuff, which would cock up how the engine responds. I can imagine that would make it unrideable or at least a bit of a dog.

e.g. I could probably ride my R1 if I had to adjust the EXUP and inlet length myself, but it would be a PITA and much easier to ride if done by the ECU.

Well I couldn't even tell if the exup on my R1 is working. every year I take it out to regrease it. Some years its free as a bird, some years its stuck solid and obviously hasn't been working. Buggered if I knw before I've taken it apart.

[Walter Sobchak]

LoonR1 said:

First the polite bit and try to read this carefully so that you understand it. Switching off ALL the electronics, is not the publicised rider aids that you can buy as options. It is the other stuff that goes on behind the scenes that can not be turned off. The test rider was the BMW employed development rider, I'm guessing he's better than you (but it's not really a guess).

Now the less polite bit. You're so awesome, I mean really, you must be a God or something similar. This is proven by your use of the word "gixxer" which is well cool in it bruv.

Back to the original question. Why buy a bike with all these gizmos if you don't want them? Seems a bit daft to me.

I've never really noticed the TC or ABS on the road in Race Mode, its come in maybe a couple of times since I've owned it, one of them being in the pissing rain.
I don't see why if the OP knows hes going to be gunning it in 1st why not just turn the TC off for a few seconds?.

On a track day I've found the TC quite helpful and definately worth having.
I don't know what other behind the scenes stuff you mentioned but if it's the ECU, fuelling etc then I'd agree with you it would be a nightmare to ride.

[LoonR1]

Walter Sobchak said:

I don't know what other behind the scenes stuff you mentioned but if it's the ECU, fuelling etc then I'd agree with you it would be a nightmare to ride.

That's exactly the stuff I mean but everyone is too much of a riding god / Luddite to accept that any bike with an ECU has electronics that involve themselves in the background.

[WinstonWolf]

LoonR1 said:

Walter Sobchak said:

I don't know what other behind the scenes stuff you mentioned but if it's the ECU, fuelling etc then I'd agree with you it would be a nightmare to ride.

That's exactly the stuff I mean but everyone is too much of a riding god / Luddite to accept that any bike with an ECU has electronics that involve themselves in the background.

It's not been the same since we did away with manual advance...

[fergus]

Any fuel injected bike will be unrideable with "no electronics" though, as there's no control of fuelling or ignition (plus a whole host of auxillary maps/tables). It wouldn't run, let alone run badly.

Most of the modern suite of "rider aids" are supplmentary controls that act on the main fuel/ignition tables. Traction control typically cuts/retards the ignition, and wheelie control will be a further refinement of the TC program in most cases.

[RemaL]

this looks like a fun thread and how did I miss it

[julian64]

Oh now I understand. What loon is saying is that the expert rider at BMW says you can't ride the bike safely if the ECU isn't working.

Thats the sort of information that really ought to be written in the user manual, alongside 'don't panic the tow truck will be along in a minute', and the 'bike alarm for this bike is where you normally put your sandwiches'.

Good work Loon, I wait with baited breath for the next installment.