S1000rr anti wheelie removal
Discussion
julian64 said:
Oh now I understand. What loon is saying is that the expert rider at BMW says you can't ride the bike safely if the ECU isn't working.
Thats the sort of information that really ought to be written in the user manual, alongside 'don't panic the tow truck will be along in a minute', and the 'bike alarm for this bike is where you normally put your sandwiches'.
Good work Loon, I wait with baited breath for the next installment.
I'll try to come up with one in your league then about counter steering not existing. Mines good but yours is better. Thats the sort of information that really ought to be written in the user manual, alongside 'don't panic the tow truck will be along in a minute', and the 'bike alarm for this bike is where you normally put your sandwiches'.
Good work Loon, I wait with baited breath for the next installment.
LoonR1 said:
If you ask nicely, I'll tell you how to switch absolutely everything off. According to the rest rider, the bike us completely unrideable, like the Eurofighter can't fly without it's electronics.
OK, since this >1yo thread is back from the dead, what electronics could there be, where the absence of them makes the bike unridable? I assume this isn't a duh statement, like without electronics the engine won't run so you can only push the bike around with the engine off instead of riding it. I can't see how this could be comparable to an aircraft made deliberately unstable. There are a lot of control surfaces on an aircraft. All you have not under direct rider control is throttle position and braking power and lack of computer control of neither of these will make a bike unstable. What makes a bike stable is tiny subconscious steering adjustments by the rider. The BMW electronics have no control over bike steering, so they cannot have any effect on stability.
creampuff said:
OK, since this >1yo thread is back from the dead, what electronics could there be, where the absence of them makes the bike unridable? I assume this isn't a duh statement, like without electronics the engine won't run so you can only push the bike around with the engine off instead of riding it.
I can't see how this could be comparable to an aircraft made deliberately unstable. There are a lot of control surfaces on an aircraft. All you have not under direct rider control is throttle position and braking power and lack of computer control of neither of these will make a bike unstable. What makes a bike stable is tiny subconscious steering adjustments by the rider. The BMW electronics have no control over bike steering, so they cannot have any effect on stability.
Read the thread. For a start the Eurofighter was used as an example of something that can't be used without some electronic interference, not as a direct comparison. I could've used an oil tanker or something similar where there has to be some interference for it to work. I can't see how this could be comparable to an aircraft made deliberately unstable. There are a lot of control surfaces on an aircraft. All you have not under direct rider control is throttle position and braking power and lack of computer control of neither of these will make a bike unstable. What makes a bike stable is tiny subconscious steering adjustments by the rider. The BMW electronics have no control over bike steering, so they cannot have any effect on stability.
Lincsblokey provided a good explanation on the views of Haslam and Corser when the bike was launched and they viewed it as unrideable once the ECU had been replaced / messed with.
Crikey,holy thread revival! Very interesting that there unrideable with it all turned off,LoonR1 may have seen mine going round Cadwell in a vid on another thread,it's quite rideable,even better when on fresh rubber and a fresher pilot! Wheelies are mega once the slick chip is installed and then press and hold the dtc until the amber warning light shows on the dash,then it happily goes through the box on the back wheel!
lengster said:
Crikey,holy thread revival! Very interesting that there unrideable with it all turned off,LoonR1 may have seen mine going round Cadwell in a vid on another thread,it's quite rideable,even better when on fresh rubber and a fresher pilot! Wheelies are mega once the slick chip is installed and then press and hold the dtc until the amber warning light shows on the dash,then it happily goes through the box on the back wheel!
I run my track S1000 the same way. It still has some electronics in the background that neither of us can turn off though. I think the ZX10 shows this best when it has levels from 1-4 but not a 0 setting where everything is completely off. its things like fly by wire, which still stops you whacking the throttle wide open if you've got a clumsy right hand. You'll still high side, just not as quickly. LoonR1 said:
Lincsblokey provided a good explanation on the views of Haslam and Corser when the bike was launched and they viewed it as unrideable once the ECU had been replaced / messed with.
Perhaps it is unrideable as a 0.001 degree right grip rotation gives you 100% throttle, but it won't be unridable because it is unstable, since stability comes from rider inputs not from things the computer has control over, which are limited to engine power, brake pressure and dampers. 
Renn Sport said:
Someone coming onto this thread for the first time must think what a bunch of w
kers the BB guys are.
The bloke came on to ask a simple question. Wanted to turn his wheelie control off to hold some air time.
Disgusting really.
BMW should make turning it off easier.
I kinda thought this too having been away from road bikes for 10 years (Been racing them instead) now go on here are read alot of the postskers the BB guys are.The bloke came on to ask a simple question. Wanted to turn his wheelie control off to hold some air time.
Disgusting really.
BMW should make turning it off easier.
I see LoonR1 had alot of comments but he has always been good what I have said. Maybe I missed the humor on this one?
anonymous said:
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Nope. It all went quiet. I'm still up for it, ditto BN once he gets a trackbike sorted after this season's shocker with the Blade. I think we should have a home, away and neutral circuit set up. They can have Cadwell, I'll have Oulton and then we pick somewhere neither of us have been 
Mr2Mike said:
I want to see some pics of you holding a wheelie on the FS1E. I managed this for quite a distance in my early teens on a ratty old FS1E DX field bike, though only because my uncle was on the back. It also end up with some minor injuries to me, him and the bike.
Can't find my wheelie picture so here's a photo of it.
LoonR1 said:
anonymous said:
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Nope. It all went quiet. I'm still up for it, ditto BN once he gets a trackbike sorted after this season's shocker with the Blade. I think we should have a home, away and neutral circuit set up. They can have Cadwell, I'll have Oulton and then we pick somewhere neither of us have been 
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