Metzeler M7RR

[Esceptico]

spareparts said:

If 7/10ths, any touring tyre will do really. I've been running the new Dunlop RoadSmart 2 tyres on my GS (3DP knows how I ride), and they've been great. Not the quickest turning tyre due to their rounded carcass profile, but copious dry grip for the road to wheelie off the throttle and huge wet grip (equivalent to PR3/4). And without the squirming movement that afflicts all the PR3/4 tyres due to their sipes.

I also ran Metzeler Z8 touring tyres which look almost identical to the M7RRs in terms of tread design, but are more touring oriented. M7RRs are still fantastic road sports bike handling tyres, but they come at the expense of longevity. The latest touring tyres are more than enough imho for proper pace on the road.

As a comparison to the M7RR, I still rate the Diablo Rosso Corsa as a fantastic sports bike tyre - very similar to the M7RRs in concept, but offering more responsiveness in the dry (sharper profile) without giving up much in wet grip stakes.

I've got to replace the tyres on my S 1000 R in a couple of weeks. I was going to put on the M7RRs but now wondering whether I should go for sports tourers as I am not really planning to go on track and my pace is probably 1/10 based on some of the descriptions above!!!

I plan to use the bike all year although in the winter it will mainly just going into and around town, unless roads are dry and not too cold. That was why I was thinking of changing from the standard fitment Corsas.

Now thinking Metzeler Z8 or PR4.

[3DP]

Smiler1 said:

3DP said:

PR3 negatives - Their stability, especially when new is very suspect when cracking on. Above 170, there was quite a scary weave, that got no worse at v-max, but meant you could only do that speed in a straight line. The speed limit on sweepers was dictated by the stability, especially if hard on the throttle above 130.

Cant say I had this issue on my ZZR with PR3’s – maybe they were scrubbed in before I got to Germany. I did the B500 on a set and they felt great – also did silly speeds on the Autobahn chasing a trick 911 turbo 180 + . They did seem to go off after about 5500 miles but still had lots of tread. I had the same issue as you in the twistys where I warped my front disks coming back from the Eagles Nest and had to stop it the hairpins with the rear but fun never the less.

This was the tyre after I get back

Chipchap - you had Pilot Power 3s on the Triumph, not Pilot Road 3s.

I put EBC HH pads on the front of mine. I'd raised the rear a bit and put on a 55 rear profile tyre, so perhaps that was a deciding factor. With S20s on a 50 profile and raised rear, it was fine, but on the PR3s a little unstable. Mine weirdly got better with wear, which I can only assume was that there was less tread to flex. The rear was done after 3000 miles. Maybe about 1mm to go, but had odd wear, as did the front. Give the abuse, weight and constant speeds they did though, they faired well.

[Mr Pew]

I'm pretty gutted my new tyres haven't turned up yet so wont get to test them out till I get back from France going on my current tyres which are pilot power 2ct.

[3DP]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

This was a loaded up ZZR1400. 600s are much easier on the tyres. I managed 2800 miles on the Pilot Power 3 on the 600RR, which I was happy with. Pirelli Rosso Corsa rear lasted 2300 miles on the 600. Conversely they were on target to last 1200 miles on the Ducati 996S. I reckon it will be max 900 miles out of the rear Qualifier 2 on my Blade, which is nuts.

I need non-sports touring tyres on the Blade for a Euro hoon in Spain/Portugal next year, with a rear that must last 2500 miles. Not sure what the best option will be, but don't want to go for PR4 or PR3 again, just to get the tyre life. Probably Pilot Power 3, or possibly M7RR.

[scunnylad]

I can't vouch for big horsepower bikes and how they will last mileage wise but I am currently in the Black forest on my HP2 and all I can say is the M7rr are a fantastic tyres

[SAS Tom]

I've done about 3k on my M7RR's so far including 4 track days. They still have a good 3mm of tread.

I'm really impressed with them and will be getting the same again when they're worn out. No problems with them on road or track.

[spareparts]

3DP said:

This was a loaded up ZZR1400. 600s are much easier on the tyres. I managed 2800 miles on the Pilot Power 3 on the 600RR, which I was happy with. Pirelli Rosso Corsa rear lasted 2300 miles on the 600. Conversely they were on target to last 1200 miles on the Ducati 996S. I reckon it will be max 900 miles out of the rear Qualifier 2 on my Blade, which is nuts.

I need non-sports touring tyres on the Blade for a Euro hoon in Spain/Portugal next year, with a rear that must last 2500 miles. Not sure what the best option will be, but don't want to go for PR4 or PR3 again, just to get the tyre life. Probably Pilot Power 3, or possibly M7RR.

It won't be quite so bad on the trip, Pete... as it was in 2013, each 'stint' on the angry bikes is very little start/stop, and a bit like a long track session: the few times we braked to a stop was at each petrol station every 100 miles or so

In 2013, PP3s lasted me the whole trip (2300mi) on the R, but only just. They were a compromise though - they weren't fully up to the task on the N260: they melted in the Spanish heat and started sliding to the point where I just had to back off the pace. However, the Blade will be easier on them with the IL4 compared to the VTwin. The downside to PP3s is knowing that DRCs are just a far superior handling tyre and perform much better at high temps. I'm tempted to use DRCs for next year, unless something better comes out. I don't think M7RRs last as long... that's a hunch, and I'm running DRCs at the moment on the R as an experiment.

[3DP]

spareparts said:

3DP said:

This was a loaded up ZZR1400. 600s are much easier on the tyres. I managed 2800 miles on the Pilot Power 3 on the 600RR, which I was happy with. Pirelli Rosso Corsa rear lasted 2300 miles on the 600. Conversely they were on target to last 1200 miles on the Ducati 996S. I reckon it will be max 900 miles out of the rear Qualifier 2 on my Blade, which is nuts.

I need non-sports touring tyres on the Blade for a Euro hoon in Spain/Portugal next year, with a rear that must last 2500 miles. Not sure what the best option will be, but don't want to go for PR4 or PR3 again, just to get the tyre life. Probably Pilot Power 3, or possibly M7RR.

It won't be quite so bad on the trip, Pete... as it was in 2013, each 'stint' on the angry bikes is very little start/stop, and a bit like a long track session: the few times we braked to a stop was at each petrol station every 100 miles or so

In 2013, PP3s lasted me the whole trip (2300mi) on the R, but only just. They were a compromise though - they weren't fully up to the task on the N260: they melted in the Spanish heat and started sliding to the point where I just had to back off the pace. However, the Blade will be easier on them with the IL4 compared to the VTwin. The downside to PP3s is knowing that DRCs are just a far superior handling tyre and perform much better at high temps. I'm tempted to use DRCs for next year, unless something better comes out. I don't think M7RRs last as long... that's a hunch, and I'm running DRCs at the moment on the R as an experiment.

Ade - I cane mine on the corner exits - that's where my wear is coming from based on how my tyres wear.

You and Flo had the same wear rates on the Tuono and K1300S on M7RRs with them being completely done after 3000 miles and nursed towards the end. I killed DRCs in 2300 on my 600RR, the 996S ate a set quickly and they are wearing quite quickly on the 1198 currently. No way will the rear last me a trip. PP3s are the only tried and tested tyre I've used that give somewhere in between fast road and sports touring rubber longevity. They also sit somewhere in between PR3 and DRC on feel and profile, so I guess that's the trade off.

Chipchaps PP3s on the Triple, were in better nick than the M7RRs at the end of the 2014 trip. I'll probably get a slap, but I reckon combined rider and bike weight of the Triple probably wasn't too far off us on the K and ZZR

Decisions.

[Chipchap]

3DP said:

Chipchaps PP3s on the Triple, were in better nick than the M7RRs at the end of the 2014 trip. I'll probably get a slap, but I reckon combined rider and bike weight of the Triple probably wasn't too far off us on the K and ZZR
Decisions.

You sir are a cad and a scoundrel. Me, fuel, luggage and bike were about 375kg I suppose. The ZZR1400+you+Pickfords luggage+all the st that you took was deffo closer to 465kg.

I am just a silkier smoother [read slower] rider than you, that's why my tyres were in good order.

[3DP]

Chipchap said:

3DP said:

Chipchaps PP3s on the Triple, were in better nick than the M7RRs at the end of the 2014 trip. I'll probably get a slap, but I reckon combined rider and bike weight of the Triple probably wasn't too far off us on the K and ZZR
Decisions.

You sir are a cad and a scoundrel. Me, fuel, luggage and bike were about 375kg I suppose. The ZZR1400+you+Pickfords luggage+all the st that you took was deffo closer to 465kg.

I am just a silkier smoother [read slower] rider than you, that's why my tyres were in good order.

Hahaha! I'm sorry! I'm not sure on your maths though. With my carbon pipes lopping about 8-10kg, my dry ZZR weight was say 218kg. Full wet, 246kg. 25kg of luggage, plus me in kit at the time - about 105kg = 375kg.

I had more power and torque, but longer gearing so a lot of the time, thrust felt at tyre was likely the same and resistance to tyres similar in turning, stopping and acceleration. All very rough calcs. You are definitely smoother though - not sure about slower! We need to see how we compare MV/Tuono vs Blade 2016.

[Chipchap]

Well my input to all of this is that before I fitted the Michelins to the Speed Triple I used to think that all tyres were round and black and that most of the extra performance was actually all north of the eyebrows.

However after having done 3300 miles on a set in all sorts of weather from Biblical Rain near Millau to 35 degrees in Nice to snowing on Grossglockner. Allied to the confidence that the Michelins gave me at 90 mph + in the rain all helped to change my view. Remembering that I am a child of the 50's [almost a pensioner] and grew up on air cooled carburetted dinosaurs on crossply tyres infused with Durex Sensitol lubricant my knowledge of such sticky tyres was somewhat limited.

Suffice it to say that there may indeed be better tyres out there but I am so happy with the Michelin Pilot Power 3 that I have them on 3 bikes currently.


A

[3DP]

Chipchap said:

Well my input to all of this is that before I fitted the Michelins to the Speed Triple I used to think that all tyres were round and black and that most of the extra performance was actually all north of the eyebrows.

However after having done 3300 miles on a set in all sorts of weather from Biblical Rain near Millau to 35 degrees in Nice to snowing on Grossglockner. Allied to the confidence that the Michelins gave me at 90 mph + in the rain all helped to change my view. Remembering that I am a child of the 50's [almost a pensioner] and grew up on air cooled carburetted dinosaurs on crossply tyres infused with Durex Sensitol lubricant my knowledge of such sticky tyres was somewhat limited.

Suffice it to say that there may indeed be better tyres out there but I am so happy with the Michelin Pilot Power 3 that I have them on 3 bikes currently.


A

You're not wrong though - I used them in similar varied conditions in 2013 on an Alps trip and they are a stunning jack of all trades sports tyre. Like an extremely sporty, sports touring tyre. The only reason I predominantly buy Pirelli Dragon Rosso Corsas is because they are better in the UK summer if you never ride in the wet intentionally - which is all my non-touring riding.

[sc0tt]

3DP said:

Pirelli Dragon Rosso Corsas is because they are better in the UK summer if you never ride in the wet intentionally

Hell yeah. Will vouch for this.

ste in the wet though. They spin far too easily if you are a ham fisted oaf in the cold and wet though.

These are what I will be using for track.

[3DP]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Chipchap has PP3s on 3 of his bikes. I ran PR3s on my ZZR1400 last year, but I've run PP3s on my GSXR750 and CBR600RR, which is what I was talking about in the last few posts.

DRC is Diablo Rosso Corsa - fast road tyre. Been out a few years, but still walks fast road/occasional trackday tyre group tests for dry feel and grip. Fabulous tyre with so much grip on the road and a nice profile. I really don't understand anyone running Supercorsas on the road when DRCs exist.

[sc0tt]

What am I missing?

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/moto-tyre-details/pirelli-...

http://www.oponeo.co.uk/moto-tyre-details/pirelli-...

I think we discussed this a few weeks back?

Edited by sc0tt on Tuesday 12th May 12:41

[sc0tt]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Ignore me I linked wrong.

The tyres on 2 day delivery are £108

On express they are £168

I wonder if they are sourced elsewhere?

[spareparts]

In summary, all for road use:

DRCs: best fast road tyre for mainly dry, but also good if caught out in the wet. Great sportsbike handling. Decent mileage. Can do trackdays.

M7RRs: Probably best all round fast road tyre, especially if running in the wet more often. Not as good handling as DRCs due to slower carcass radius, but it's a compromise. Can do trackdays.

PP3s: Good compromised sports tyre - wet weather is great, mileage better than DRCs/M7RRs, not as good for handling compared to DRC/M7RR, and struggles in high heat conditions including dry track conditions.

PR3/PR4s: Great commuting tyre. Great in the soaking wet. Rubbish handling when pushing on, not really a sportsbike tyre.

RoadSmart2s: Great touring tyre, superb wet weather performance and chemical grip for damp conditions, better handling than PR3/PR4, does good mileage.

Z8s: Same as RoadSmart2s.

SC SP: road biased compound, more extreme version of DRCs. Pointless really.

SC 0/1/2: track biased compound, pointless on the road as you won't be getting enough heat in them for them to work at their optimum. And if you are, you should be riding the IoM TT, and you're probably waiting to be taken home in an ambulance/coffin. Best looking tyre though

[hebegb]

spareparts said:

In summary, all for road use:

DRCs: best fast road tyre for mainly dry, but also good if caught out in the wet. Great sportsbike handling. Decent mileage. Can do trackdays.

M7RRs: Probably best all round fast road tyre, especially if running in the wet more often. Not as good handling as DRCs due to slower carcass radius, but it's a compromise. Can do trackdays.

PP3s: Good compromised sports tyre - wet weather is great, mileage better than DRCs/M7RRs, not as good for handling compared to DRC/M7RR, and struggles in high heat conditions including dry track conditions.

PR3/PR4s: Great commuting tyre. Great in the soaking wet. Rubbish handling when pushing on, not really a sportsbike tyre.

RoadSmart2s: Great touring tyre, superb wet weather performance and chemical grip for damp conditions, better handling than PR3/PR4, does good mileage.

Z8s: Same as RoadSmart2s.

SC SP: road biased compound, more extreme version of DRCs. Pointless really.

SC 0/1/2: track biased compound, pointless on the road as you won't be getting enough heat in them for them to work at their optimum. And if you are, you should be riding the IoM TT, and you're probably waiting to be taken home in an ambulance/coffin. Best looking tyre though

Read this with interest over the last couple of evenings, didn't have the energy to respond with input...I do have now :

I returned from an 8 day Euro trip on Sunday, having bought a new set of M7RRs and trailered the bike down to Dover, didnt want ( 1.) 700 miles(return) of useless motorway squaring off riding to Dover on a Friday night after a long working week and 2. the sorry trawl home up motorways when riding , by then, would be tortuous .....so the trailer it was.

The first time the tyres touched tarmac was the half mile to the ferry from the guest house and up the slippery metal ramp in the wet. I knew they were good right then. No need for any real "scrubbing in" and two hours later hauling down towards Troyes on purely N roads and smaller, these tyres felt seriously good , in fact, confirmed to me as the best road tyre I have ever used in approx. 30,000 Euro miles over the last ten years. Not trying to be clever , but, having broken the back of run down to Troyes and it having dried up and become warm and sunny, I was leading the group and waited at a roundabout for a couple of minutes, decided to scrub them some more and with 30kg Ventura bag on back of bike etc, ever so easily found left-hand kneedown round roundabout came about without even "trying" - I do NOT ever set out to do kneedown on the road and actually try hard not to on track- (expensive sliders to replace- no thanks...)
Continued to enjoy them across to the Dordogne, our regular stomping ground with some gorgeous flowing twisties in every direction for a week , then home. Some wet, damp, dry and some seriously hot and sticky....
superb everywhere and only felt tiny movement on damp white lines when hard over and or gassing, and the momentary dry movement on hardest pushing, probably just grit/dust on white lines, but on edges of tyres only.
Massively confidence inspiring and very quick warm-up and far preferable, for me anyway, to Rosso Corsa everywhere, certainly the way I have my S1000 set up .

Came home via Rouen overnight and now with bit of wear showing on rear centre mainly , worsening conditions, colder , rain, back into Calais, still no issues.

Total mileage ,( 2 rest days out of 8 ,) 2,200 miles, will check tread depth tonight as got to do chain now its been washed properly and dried, shall post it up then , but some serious hard charging miles on S1000 done, , so , in brief, I applaud Spareparts appraisal and I wholeheartedly recommend these tyres for value and performance above all others for road use - oh and a mate didnt exactly disgrace himself on them in the Fast group at Croft on his HP4 with 4,000 miles on them either ........thumbs up.

[Esceptico]

hebegb said:

spareparts said:

In summary, all for road use:

DRCs: best fast road tyre for mainly dry, but also good if caught out in the wet. Great sportsbike handling. Decent mileage. Can do trackdays.

M7RRs: Probably best all round fast road tyre, especially if running in the wet more often. Not as good handling as DRCs due to slower carcass radius, but it's a compromise. Can do trackdays.

PP3s: Good compromised sports tyre - wet weather is great, mileage better than DRCs/M7RRs, not as good for handling compared to DRC/M7RR, and struggles in high heat conditions including dry track conditions.

PR3/PR4s: Great commuting tyre. Great in the soaking wet. Rubbish handling when pushing on, not really a sportsbike tyre.

RoadSmart2s: Great touring tyre, superb wet weather performance and chemical grip for damp conditions, better handling than PR3/PR4, does good mileage.

Z8s: Same as RoadSmart2s.

SC SP: road biased compound, more extreme version of DRCs. Pointless really.

SC 0/1/2: track biased compound, pointless on the road as you won't be getting enough heat in them for them to work at their optimum. And if you are, you should be riding the IoM TT, and you're probably waiting to be taken home in an ambulance/coffin. Best looking tyre though

Read this with interest over the last couple of evenings, didn't have the energy to respond with input...I do have now :

I returned from an 8 day Euro trip on Sunday, having bought a new set of M7RRs and trailered the bike down to Dover, didnt want ( 1.) 700 miles(return) of useless motorway squaring off riding to Dover on a Friday night after a long working week and 2. the sorry trawl home up motorways when riding , by then, would be tortuous .....so the trailer it was.

The first time the tyres touched tarmac was the half mile to the ferry from the guest house and up the slippery metal ramp in the wet. I knew they were good right then. No need for any real "scrubbing in" and two hours later hauling down towards Troyes on purely N roads and smaller, these tyres felt seriously good , in fact, confirmed to me as the best road tyre I have ever used in approx. 30,000 Euro miles over the last ten years. Not trying to be clever , but, having broken the back of run down to Troyes and it having dried up and become warm and sunny, I was leading the group and waited at a roundabout for a couple of minutes, decided to scrub them some more and with 30kg Ventura bag on back of bike etc, ever so easily found left-hand kneedown round roundabout came about without even "trying" - I do NOT ever set out to do kneedown on the road and actually try hard not to on track- (expensive sliders to replace- no thanks...)
Continued to enjoy them across to the Dordogne, our regular stomping ground with some gorgeous flowing twisties in every direction for a week , then home. Some wet, damp, dry and some seriously hot and sticky....
superb everywhere and only felt tiny movement on damp white lines when hard over and or gassing, and the momentary dry movement on hardest pushing, probably just grit/dust on white lines, but on edges of tyres only.
Massively confidence inspiring and very quick warm-up and far preferable, for me anyway, to Rosso Corsa everywhere, certainly the way I have my S1000 set up .

Came home via Rouen overnight and now with bit of wear showing on rear centre mainly , worsening conditions, colder , rain, back into Calais, still no issues.

Total mileage ,( 2 rest days out of 8 ,) 2,200 miles, will check tread depth tonight as got to do chain now its been washed properly and dried, shall post it up then , but some serious hard charging miles on S1000 done, , so , in brief, I applaud Spareparts appraisal and I wholeheartedly recommend these tyres for value and performance above all others for road use - oh and a mate didnt exactly disgrace himself on them in the Fast group at Croft on his HP4 with 4,000 miles on them either ........thumbs up.

OK. You've sold me on the M7RRs!

[spareparts]

hebegb said:

spareparts said:

In summary, all for road use:

DRCs: best fast road tyre for mainly dry, but also good if caught out in the wet. Great sportsbike handling. Decent mileage. Can do trackdays.

M7RRs: Probably best all round fast road tyre, especially if running in the wet more often. Not as good handling as DRCs due to slower carcass radius, but it's a compromise. Can do trackdays.

PP3s: Good compromised sports tyre - wet weather is great, mileage better than DRCs/M7RRs, not as good for handling compared to DRC/M7RR, and struggles in high heat conditions including dry track conditions.

PR3/PR4s: Great commuting tyre. Great in the soaking wet. Rubbish handling when pushing on, not really a sportsbike tyre.

RoadSmart2s: Great touring tyre, superb wet weather performance and chemical grip for damp conditions, better handling than PR3/PR4, does good mileage.

Z8s: Same as RoadSmart2s.

SC SP: road biased compound, more extreme version of DRCs. Pointless really.

SC 0/1/2: track biased compound, pointless on the road as you won't be getting enough heat in them for them to work at their optimum. And if you are, you should be riding the IoM TT, and you're probably waiting to be taken home in an ambulance/coffin. Best looking tyre though

Read this with interest over the last couple of evenings, didn't have the energy to respond with input...I do have now :

I returned from an 8 day Euro trip on Sunday, having bought a new set of M7RRs and trailered the bike down to Dover, didnt want ( 1.) 700 miles(return) of useless motorway squaring off riding to Dover on a Friday night after a long working week and 2. the sorry trawl home up motorways when riding , by then, would be tortuous .....so the trailer it was.

The first time the tyres touched tarmac was the half mile to the ferry from the guest house and up the slippery metal ramp in the wet. I knew they were good right then. No need for any real "scrubbing in" and two hours later hauling down towards Troyes on purely N roads and smaller, these tyres felt seriously good , in fact, confirmed to me as the best road tyre I have ever used in approx. 30,000 Euro miles over the last ten years. Not trying to be clever , but, having broken the back of run down to Troyes and it having dried up and become warm and sunny, I was leading the group and waited at a roundabout for a couple of minutes, decided to scrub them some more and with 30kg Ventura bag on back of bike etc, ever so easily found left-hand kneedown round roundabout came about without even "trying" - I do NOT ever set out to do kneedown on the road and actually try hard not to on track- (expensive sliders to replace- no thanks...)
Continued to enjoy them across to the Dordogne, our regular stomping ground with some gorgeous flowing twisties in every direction for a week , then home. Some wet, damp, dry and some seriously hot and sticky....
superb everywhere and only felt tiny movement on damp white lines when hard over and or gassing, and the momentary dry movement on hardest pushing, probably just grit/dust on white lines, but on edges of tyres only.
Massively confidence inspiring and very quick warm-up and far preferable, for me anyway, to Rosso Corsa everywhere, certainly the way I have my S1000 set up .

Came home via Rouen overnight and now with bit of wear showing on rear centre mainly , worsening conditions, colder , rain, back into Calais, still no issues.

Total mileage ,( 2 rest days out of 8 ,) 2,200 miles, will check tread depth tonight as got to do chain now its been washed properly and dried, shall post it up then , but some serious hard charging miles on S1000 done, , so , in brief, I applaud Spareparts appraisal and I wholeheartedly recommend these tyres for value and performance above all others for road use - oh and a mate didnt exactly disgrace himself on them in the Fast group at Croft on his HP4 with 4,000 miles on them either ........thumbs up.

Tell us more about your roadtrip with pics! Sounds great!