Hanging off the bike on public roads..

[Ho Lee Kau]

Jazoli said:

WaferThinHam said:

Yes, because it makes me look like a bellend.

Closed private road etc.

My blade leans over more on the sidestand.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Biker's Nemesis said:

WaferThinHam said:

Funny that everyone's the fastest road rider ever when there are no cameras about. Ho hum.

I started off saying I was awesome after a few on here would always add that they were pretty damn quick by anyone's standard.

Just switch the computer off and do something else.

P.S.

I am awesome BTW

Just thought I would quote this again. Me saying I am awesome isn't me saying I am fast.

I'm just awesome for a one legged old bloke.

[Weso]

[Jazoli]

Weso said:

My R1 leans over more on its paddock stands....

Biker's Nemesis said:

Just thought I would quote this again. Me saying I am awesome isn't me saying I am fast.

I'm just awesome for a one legged old bloke.

Edited by Jazoli on Monday 20th February 19:38

[Hemingway]

Weso said:

Can't tell if this photo is serious or not. Seen better lean angles whilst waiting for a drink at the bar

[Weso]

Hemingway said:

Weso said:

Can't tell if this photo is serious or not. Seen better lean angles whilst waiting for a drink at the bar

It's a joke.
And it's certainly not me, I'm from the don't hang off on the road really camp.
Wes

[Loyly]

It all depends on the bike for me. On my Daytona, I don't really hang off it. I can go plenty fast enough just by shuffling my arse on the seat when I need to. On the Street Triple courtesy bike I had in August, I had it leant over at what seemed like silly angles (to me). It was so smooth and stable I could have trailed a hand over the tarmac as I rode. Even then, I think I let the bike do more of the leaning and I probably wasn't 'hanging off'.

[cmaguire]

Hemingway said:

Weso said:

Can't tell if this photo is serious or not. Seen better lean angles whilst waiting for a drink at the bar

It's embarassing.
It's a running joke between me and a mate about Fast Bikes or Chris Newbigging (although he seems to have eased off since joining PB). The idiotically pointless hanging off because getting your knee down is a sign of heroism was laughable.

[SAS Tom]

This is from the track but demonstrates me thinking I'm hanging off like the pictures above but not really hanging off at all.



I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;

[Jazoli]

SAS Tom said:

I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;

I never used to hang off at all, but found I was grinding out pegs, bellypans and exhausts a lot which isn't ideal and leaves very little margin for error if you need to lean a bit more but have no clearance left or hit a bump mid bend, I do shift my arse about 6" on the road but have never got my knee down on the road, I hang off a lot more on track as it keeps your options open. (I'm hardly a track riding god)

[SAS Tom]

I understand all the reasons for hanging off and I do try it's just a case of what I think is hanging off loads isn't a right lot. When I first got my knee down round island bend at Oulton I felt that if I tried to hang off even more my head would be pretty much upside down. That feeling has never really left me to be honest. I do wonder if it is partly to do with the bike too, the Thunderace is a very wide bike and not really that easy to move around on like small modern bikes.

[Loyly]

If anything Tom, the top pic of the Thunderace looks like the bike is leaning about as far as it'll go, but you're not. I presume when you came off, you simply ran out of tyre and the bike let go beneath you?

[Birky_41]

SAS Tom said:

This is from the track but demonstrates me thinking I'm hanging off like the pictures above but not really hanging off at all.



I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;

What great shots right there! I'm same on track. I don't hang off yet friends of similar pace do. They say my style is the 1990s 500gp era. Honestly I don't care as I'm having fun

On the road I probably get off the bike a bit more only because I don't mean as much on the road

This is typical style for me on track



And this was my road bike on the road



I never really get my knee down on road unless it's a real nice corner or roundabout onto a straight. Even then it's willy waving as I'm sure I'd be the same pace without it. Track is obviously different.

[bennyboysvuk]

Jazoli said:

I never used to hang off at all, but found I was grinding out pegs, bellypans and exhausts a lot which isn't ideal and leaves very little margin for error if you need to lean a bit more but have no clearance left or hit a bump mid bend, I do shift my arse about 6" on the road but have never got my knee down on the road, I hang off a lot more on track as it keeps your options open. (I'm hardly a track riding god)

SVs really grind out their footpegs dreadfully as standard. This was my first experience of tracking what became my race SV at Rockingham. Molten spatter from the footpeg all over the exhaust and then to add injury to insult, a minor collision with a plastic bollard took the thing off entirely! And this was all whilst hanging off like a loon!

[Biker's Nemesis]

There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.

I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.

[SAS Tom]

Biker's Nemesis said:

There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.

I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.

I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.

I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?

I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!

[Biker's Nemesis]

SAS Tom said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.

I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.

I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.

I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?

I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!

It was exiting Barn corner Tom where you were tight to the curb still right over. Like I've said many times before I'm no expert. A racer mate told me I was carrying way to much lean angle for too long when I first got on a 1000 on track after years on a 600.

Picking the bike up as quickly as you can getting on the gas is safer and makes you faster, braking when you see God is another thing that people (not you Tom) do not do instead they brake early or roll off (coasting) before tipping in.

In short: pile in, get it on it's side ( bikes turn great off the brakes when right on their ear) pick it up and your head and nail it all while keeping smooth and calm.

It's easy sitting here saying this but that's very roughly what a few racers have told me.

[SAS Tom]

Biker's Nemesis said:

SAS Tom said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.

I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.

I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.

I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?

I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!

It was exiting Barn corner Tom where you were tight to the curb still right over. Like I've said many times before I'm no expert. A racer mate told me I was carrying way to much lean angle for too long when I first got on a 1000 on track after years on a 600.

Picking the bike up as quickly as you can getting on the gas is safer and makes you faster, braking when you see God is another thing that people (not you Tom) do not do instead they brake early or roll off (coasting) before tipping in.

In short: pile in, get it on it's side ( bikes turn great off the brakes when right on their ear) pick it up and your head and nail it all while keeping smooth and calm.

It's easy sitting here saying this but that's very roughly what a few racers have told me.

That's fair enough I know exactly what you're talking about. Again a corner I struggle with, I should turn in much later into that corner but find it hard as you can't see all the way round so struggle to place the bike. I was getting better last time I was there but it was taking a conscious effort to try and turn in later.

Again it's easy sitting here and knowing what to do but actually doing it is a different story!

Edited by SAS Tom on Tuesday 21st February 10:48

[Birky_41]

SAS Tom said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.

I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.

I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.

I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?

I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!

Tom simple answer is what times do you run around Cadwell? I have friends so fixated on style/position/technique that I swear it hinders them. Thats a good track to judge as it doesnt need big power like Snetterton and Silverstone to get a good time

I have an excuse as my left side is full of metal so Im not too mobile but even still Im quite stiff on a bike. Nemesis is right now, if you can get it right it'll improve your times and safety. I ground out my gsxr a couple times and I know I dont have anything left on the tyres. My times aint bad...but how much better could they be if I got it right?

[cbmotorsport]

Birky_41 said:

Tom simple answer is what times do you run around Cadwell? I have friends so fixated on style/position/technique that I swear it hinders them.

First novice track day I did, there were people obsessed withhanging off and getting there knee down, so much so they were horribly slow, I'm no riding god, but I was able to ride round the outside of the majority of them without hanging off.