Hanging off the bike on public roads..
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Biker's Nemesis said:
WaferThinHam said:
Funny that everyone's the fastest road rider ever when there are no cameras about. Ho hum.
I started off saying I was awesome after a few on here would always add that they were pretty damn quick by anyone's standard.Just switch the computer off and do something else.
P.S.
I am awesome BTW
I'm just awesome for a one legged old bloke.
It all depends on the bike for me. On my Daytona, I don't really hang off it. I can go plenty fast enough just by shuffling my arse on the seat when I need to. On the Street Triple courtesy bike I had in August, I had it leant over at what seemed like silly angles (to me). It was so smooth and stable I could have trailed a hand over the tarmac as I rode. Even then, I think I let the bike do more of the leaning and I probably wasn't 'hanging off'.
Hemingway said:
Weso said:
Can't tell if this photo is serious or not. Seen better lean angles whilst waiting for a drink at the barIt's a running joke between me and a mate about Fast Bikes or Chris Newbigging (although he seems to have eased off since joining PB). The idiotically pointless hanging off because getting your knee down is a sign of heroism was laughable.
SAS Tom said:
I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;
I never used to hang off at all, but found I was grinding out pegs, bellypans and exhausts a lot which isn't ideal and leaves very little margin for error if you need to lean a bit more but have no clearance left or hit a bump mid bend, I do shift my arse about 6" on the road but have never got my knee down on the road, I hang off a lot more on track as it keeps your options open. (I'm hardly a track riding god)I understand all the reasons for hanging off and I do try it's just a case of what I think is hanging off loads isn't a right lot. When I first got my knee down round island bend at Oulton I felt that if I tried to hang off even more my head would be pretty much upside down. That feeling has never really left me to be honest. I do wonder if it is partly to do with the bike too, the Thunderace is a very wide bike and not really that easy to move around on like small modern bikes.
SAS Tom said:
This is from the track but demonstrates me thinking I'm hanging off like the pictures above but not really hanging off at all.
I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;
What great shots right there! I'm same on track. I don't hang off yet friends of similar pace do. They say my style is the 1990s 500gp era. Honestly I don't care as I'm having fun I seem to struggle with hanging off, I'm getting better but it certainly doesn't feel natural to me. The last time I got more lean angle than that I looked like this;
On the road I probably get off the bike a bit more only because I don't mean as much on the road
This is typical style for me on track
And this was my road bike on the road
I never really get my knee down on road unless it's a real nice corner or roundabout onto a straight. Even then it's willy waving as I'm sure I'd be the same pace without it. Track is obviously different.
Jazoli said:
I never used to hang off at all, but found I was grinding out pegs, bellypans and exhausts a lot which isn't ideal and leaves very little margin for error if you need to lean a bit more but have no clearance left or hit a bump mid bend, I do shift my arse about 6" on the road but have never got my knee down on the road, I hang off a lot more on track as it keeps your options open. (I'm hardly a track riding god)
SVs really grind out their footpegs dreadfully as standard. This was my first experience of tracking what became my race SV at Rockingham. Molten spatter from the footpeg all over the exhaust and then to add injury to insult, a minor collision with a plastic bollard took the thing off entirely! And this was all whilst hanging off like a loon!There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
Biker's Nemesis said:
There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?
I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!
SAS Tom said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?
I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!
Picking the bike up as quickly as you can getting on the gas is safer and makes you faster, braking when you see God is another thing that people (not you Tom) do not do instead they brake early or roll off (coasting) before tipping in.
In short: pile in, get it on it's side ( bikes turn great off the brakes when right on their ear) pick it up and your head and nail it all while keeping smooth and calm.
It's easy sitting here saying this but that's very roughly what a few racers have told me.
Biker's Nemesis said:
SAS Tom said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?
I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!
Picking the bike up as quickly as you can getting on the gas is safer and makes you faster, braking when you see God is another thing that people (not you Tom) do not do instead they brake early or roll off (coasting) before tipping in.
In short: pile in, get it on it's side ( bikes turn great off the brakes when right on their ear) pick it up and your head and nail it all while keeping smooth and calm.
It's easy sitting here saying this but that's very roughly what a few racers have told me.
Again it's easy sitting here and knowing what to do but actually doing it is a different story!
Edited by SAS Tom on Tuesday 21st February 10:48
SAS Tom said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?
I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!
I have an excuse as my left side is full of metal so Im not too mobile but even still Im quite stiff on a bike. Nemesis is right now, if you can get it right it'll improve your times and safety. I ground out my gsxr a couple times and I know I dont have anything left on the tyres. My times aint bad...but how much better could they be if I got it right?
Birky_41 said:
Tom simple answer is what times do you run around Cadwell? I have friends so fixated on style/position/technique that I swear it hinders them.
First novice track day I did, there were people obsessed withhanging off and getting there knee down, so much so they were horribly slow, I'm no riding god, but I was able to ride round the outside of the majority of them without hanging off. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff