Hanging off the bike on public roads..
Discussion
Birky_41 said:
SAS Tom said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
There's nothing wrong with being cranked right over into a corner (Tom) I've seen the next photo in your sequence from Cadwell and you're still cranked right over on the exit tight to the curb when you should have been nearly upright with the throttle pinned tight. I'm snot taking the piss just an observation.
I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I don't worry about it anymore, I just accepted the way I ride as it is. I try to make improvements but I doubt I'll ever really hang right off the bike.I never listened to anyone when I was younger and it was too late in life when I did start listining.
I'm not sure if the picture you've seen was the next in the sequence as that is the hairpin at Cadwell and I don't think I could actually stay tight to the curb on the exit of that corner?
I'm not completely denying what you're saying I'm just not sure if it's mixed up with a picture from a different part of the track possibly the next corner? Either way if I'm cranked over and should be upright then I'd be glad of the help telling me where that is!
I have an excuse as my left side is full of metal so Im not too mobile but even still Im quite stiff on a bike. Nemesis is right now, if you can get it right it'll improve your times and safety. I ground out my gsxr a couple times and I know I dont have anything left on the tyres. My times aint bad...but how much better could they be if I got it right?
Gavia said:
robinh73 said:
I felt sure I was going to pull this one off at Oliver's Mount in the Spring Cup. Didn't quite go to plan!
Cue a huge argument
robinh73 said:
Gavia said:
robinh73 said:
I felt sure I was going to pull this one off at Oliver's Mount in the Spring Cup. Didn't quite go to plan!
Cue a huge argument
On the track you can hang off as much as you want as long as its helping you go around faster.
On the road I find its hardly required unless really pushing on. Then you usually revert to the track riding postures because of muscle memory. Otherwise its not really required.
Kind of depends on how fast your going but then if I start all that 'getting off the bike' malarkey I recognise that I am actually going faster than is sensible for the road.
That's when you really need to be on a track and not a road. In my mind at any rate.
On the road I find its hardly required unless really pushing on. Then you usually revert to the track riding postures because of muscle memory. Otherwise its not really required.
Kind of depends on how fast your going but then if I start all that 'getting off the bike' malarkey I recognise that I am actually going faster than is sensible for the road.
That's when you really need to be on a track and not a road. In my mind at any rate.
cbmotorsport said:
First novice track day I did, there were people obsessed withhanging off and getting there knee down, so much so they were horribly slow, I'm no riding god, but I was able to ride round the outside of the majority of them without hanging off.
I got a couple really really old Road bike mates (they are 52 and 59 
) that never get off their bikes. I've ridden with them since I was 17 and Im 35 now. Very rare do people outride their pace. The older of the two is also anti abs, tc or just about anything else. He's just a good, old school rider SAS Tom said:
I have done 1:44's there but I can consistently do 45's/46's so reasonable given I've only done 1.5 days there. There's no real fixation on style for me, more just a case of wanting to improve. It's like when you suddenly find a faster way around a corner but then find yourself arriving at the next corner much faster and having to work that out. I read up and try different things whilst I'm there but don't actually know what's faster/what's not until I get home and watch the videos. An example would be I found out that I am faster when I don't get my knee down compared to when I do but it's never a conscious decision as to whether I do or not. Another which I guess is true for a lot of us is I tend to find that the laps I think I'm quick are average and ones I don't even remember turn out to be fastest.
Nothing wrong with that pace at all! 1.44 will put you mid fast group most of the time (unless there's a club meet coming up and their practicing!). I've been there 2 1/2 times... I'm guessing that 1/2 was either mechanical like me or a crash 
I spoke with Simon Crafer about it as he sits really upright and doesn't hang off that much, and he said that being comfortably in control of your bike can have a better effect than trying to be 3 foot off the side of the bike.
It's only when you get to the absolute top of your game that being right at the edge of being too far off becomes important, and how far off the bike that it really depends on the bike and the riding style.
Personally, I like being quite low as it's not as far to fall when the front wheel washes
I figured that if the front goes Im pretty much on the floor anyway, so only have a slide to contend with rather than an impact
It's only when you get to the absolute top of your game that being right at the edge of being too far off becomes important, and how far off the bike that it really depends on the bike and the riding style.
Personally, I like being quite low as it's not as far to fall when the front wheel washes
I figured that if the front goes Im pretty much on the floor anyway, so only have a slide to contend with rather than an impact
Edited by graeme4130 on Wednesday 22 February 16:51
graeme4130 said:
I spoke with Simon Crafer about it as he sits really upright and doesn't hang off that much, and he said that being comfortably in control of your bike can have a better effect than trying to be 3 foot off the side of the bike.
It's only when you get to the absolute top of your game that being right at the edge of being too far off becomes important, and how far off the bike that it really depends on the bike and the riding style.
Personally, I like being quite low as it's not as far to fall when the front wheel washes
I figured that if the front goes Im pretty much on the floor anyway, so only have a slide to contend with rather than an impact
Best bit of advise right there and basically in a nut shell what I said earlier It's only when you get to the absolute top of your game that being right at the edge of being too far off becomes important, and how far off the bike that it really depends on the bike and the riding style.
Personally, I like being quite low as it's not as far to fall when the front wheel washes
I figured that if the front goes Im pretty much on the floor anyway, so only have a slide to contend with rather than an impact
Edited by graeme4130 on Wednesday 22 February 16:51
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