Hanging off the bike on public roads..
Discussion
Steve Bass said:
yammyfan said:
Haha. I went on a trip with my mates all on sportsbikes, my R1 was still in track trim so i took the commuter bike (CB500x). Top box, hand muffs and 48bhp of raw power. Still kept up 
Your mates... they're ghey moanthebairns said:
wtf.... I am sorry to sound harsh and i'm going to sound like a f
king dick but come on to fk.
You sound like your trying to follow Billy Mcconnell through craner curves, its a GS on a roundabout.
king dick but come on to fk.You sound like your trying to follow Billy Mcconnell through craner curves, its a GS on a roundabout.
Ok, imagine it's a cold track day without tyre warmers and you've just left the pits. You're not going to be committing to the first few corners with the same gusto as someone who's three laps in are you?
On my previous bike with Pirelli Diablo 3s I've had a few cold tyre slides on that roundabout (actually, it's more oval really) so I'm not going to push my tyres there.
bennyboysvuk said:
Ok, imagine it's a cold track day without tyre warmers and you've just left the pits. You're not going to be committing to the first few corners with the same gusto as someone who's three laps in are you?
On my previous bike with Pirelli Diablo 3s I've had a few cold tyre slides on that roundabout (actually, it's more oval really) so I'm not going to push my tyres there.
moanthebairns said:
bennyboysvuk said:
black-k1 said:
Darkslider said:
bennyboysvuk said:
I thought I'd resurrect this thread as I realised another benefit to hanging off today. Less than a mile into my journey, a BMW GS came past me in traffic and we headed up to a large quick roundabout. I followed him through the traffic and we rounded the large roundabout at the same speed. He looked pretty committed and quite quick and the GS was soaking up the various bumps on the roundabout beautifully and looking to be working quite hard. The guy was sat bolt upright too and I suspect had warm tyres and a warm bike.
My perspective was that my tyres had been warming from the 4 degrees outside temperature in a straight line only for about a mile and I'd have no confidence throwing it in on its ear like GS man did, so I hung off my bike and cornered at the same rate with my bike substantially less banked over than the GS.
So there's another benefit to hanging off - in cold conditions with cold tyre-edges you can corner on the warmer bit of the tyre.
You've just explained the entire reasoning behind hanging off the bike that I think many people are struggling to grasp. By moving your weight lower and further to the inside of the corner, you cornered at the same speed as the gs rider with the bike leaning less, therefore you were further away from the limits of your tyres grip and had a larger safety margin than him. My perspective was that my tyres had been warming from the 4 degrees outside temperature in a straight line only for about a mile and I'd have no confidence throwing it in on its ear like GS man did, so I hung off my bike and cornered at the same rate with my bike substantially less banked over than the GS.
So there's another benefit to hanging off - in cold conditions with cold tyre-edges you can corner on the warmer bit of the tyre.
Leaning off the bike doesn't make you faster, it makes you safer. Anyone regaling tales of fat boys getting schooled by bolt upright riders is missing the point, that bolt upright rider may have been using 100% of his available grip whereas the monkey hanging off doing the same speed is only using 75%.
Firstly, on tyres with different compounds across the tyre give more relative grip closer to the edge, so leaning further, assuming you don't go too far, gives more grip.
Secondly, the lateral force on the tyres is related to the rate of turn of the bike and the weight of the bike/rider. These are the same whether you're bolt upright or hanging off.
There is a huge amount more to consider (outside of the fact you look a real dick with your arse hung off the bike at the local roundabout) but in road conditions, there is likely little to no safety advantage to hanging off and probably a greater safety negative due to not being in the right position to both maintain good observation and to make quick changes in direction should they be required.
Regarding observation. The GS guy, sat fully upright and leant over quite far was a very tall bit of kit and although his tyres were in the left tyre track of the inside lane, his head was still almost hitting the overhanging bushes on the roundabout. Whereas I was hanging off with the bike not leaning nearly as far over, which meant that my head was roughly in the centre of my lane.
But aside from all that, it was great to watch a GS going for it, suspension compressing and settling etc.
king dick but come on to fk.You sound like your trying to follow Billy Mcconnell through craner curves, its a GS on a roundabout.
Birky_41 said:
A mate rode Snett on a Multistrada the other week with a bunch of us in fast group. Bikes on stock road tyres and he ruined alot of 'trackday' bikes. Some of these big ol modern bikes are alot quicker than people realise
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
He did a very good job. Was he hanging off? Knee out or leg out supermoto style in the slower corners? https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
Renn Sport said:
Birky_41 said:
A mate rode Snett on a Multistrada the other week with a bunch of us in fast group. Bikes on stock road tyres and he ruined alot of 'trackday' bikes. Some of these big ol modern bikes are alot quicker than people realise
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
He did a very good job. Was he hanging off? Knee out or leg out supermoto style in the slower corners? https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
Birky_41 said:
A mate rode Snett on a Multistrada the other week with a bunch of us in fast group. Bikes on stock road tyres and he ruined alot of 'trackday' bikes. Some of these big ol modern bikes are alot quicker than people realise
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
My old motorcycle instructor rides (or used to ride) a 1200 Multiatrada. He used to race in the 80's and has a great photo of himself riding a green Kawasaki triple race bike in his office. I gather he was quite handy on the Multistrada on track. Not the natural element for such a hefty machine but probably an entertaining spectacle to see. https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
This was me following my mate on his multi at Cadwell;
https://youtu.be/L6y9T4yuWJo
It was just as quick as my Thunderace with short gearing in a straight line, a bit slower through fast corners and a bit quicker through slower corners. It was funny watching the sparks as he went through the gooseneck.
https://youtu.be/L6y9T4yuWJo
It was just as quick as my Thunderace with short gearing in a straight line, a bit slower through fast corners and a bit quicker through slower corners. It was funny watching the sparks as he went through the gooseneck.
sc0tt said:
Renn Sport said:
Birky_41 said:
A mate rode Snett on a Multistrada the other week with a bunch of us in fast group. Bikes on stock road tyres and he ruined alot of 'trackday' bikes. Some of these big ol modern bikes are alot quicker than people realise
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
He did a very good job. Was he hanging off? Knee out or leg out supermoto style in the slower corners? https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
Nevertheless! Good riding.
Loyly said:
Birky_41 said:
A mate rode Snett on a Multistrada the other week with a bunch of us in fast group. Bikes on stock road tyres and he ruined alot of 'trackday' bikes. Some of these big ol modern bikes are alot quicker than people realise
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
My old motorcycle instructor rides (or used to ride) a 1200 Multiatrada. He used to race in the 80's and has a great photo of himself riding a green Kawasaki triple race bike in his office. I gather he was quite handy on the Multistrada on track. Not the natural element for such a hefty machine but probably an entertaining spectacle to see. https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
Edited by hebegb on Friday 21st April 20:19
Gavia said:
I'm sorry, but this is hilarious amd getting better. Now you and GS man were fully committed as if on a race track.
I was trying to analogise to get the point across. You couldn't put GS man on a race track as he'd be wrecking it with his footpegs/engine casing in no time. 
What I was trying to say was that if you're on tyres that have no heat in the edges, you can't stay put in your seat and lean it over to the edge and carry loads of speed like you can when your tyres are hot. However, if you hang off, you can stay with a person not hanging off who does have warm tyres and isn't hanging off. There you go, clear as mud.
bennyboysvuk said:
Gavia said:
I'm sorry, but this is hilarious amd getting better. Now you and GS man were fully committed as if on a race track.
I was trying to analogise to get the point across. You couldn't put GS man on a race track as he'd be wrecking it with his footpegs/engine casing in no time. What I was trying to say was that if you're on tyres that have no heat in the edges, you can't stay put in your seat and lean it over to the edge and carry loads of speed like you can when your tyres are hot. However, if you hang off, you can stay with a person not hanging off who does have warm tyres and isn't hanging off. There you go, clear as mud.
moanthebairns said:
bennyboysvuk said:
I thought I'd resurrect this thread as I realised another benefit to hanging off today. Less than a mile into my journey, a BMW GS came past me in traffic and we headed up to a large quick roundabout. I followed him through the traffic and we rounded the large roundabout at the same speed. He looked pretty committed and quite quick and the GS was soaking up the various bumps on the roundabout beautifully and looking to be working quite hard. The guy was sat bolt upright too and I suspect had warm tyres and a warm bike.
My perspective was that my tyres had been warming from the 4 degrees outside temperature in a straight line only for about a mile and I'd have no confidence throwing it in on its ear like GS man did, so I hung off my bike and cornered at the same rate with my bike substantially less banked over than the GS.
So there's another benefit to hanging off - in cold conditions with cold tyre-edges you can corner on the warmer bit of the tyre.
Whatever makes you feel better about getting your arse handed to you by a GS rider....My perspective was that my tyres had been warming from the 4 degrees outside temperature in a straight line only for about a mile and I'd have no confidence throwing it in on its ear like GS man did, so I hung off my bike and cornered at the same rate with my bike substantially less banked over than the GS.
So there's another benefit to hanging off - in cold conditions with cold tyre-edges you can corner on the warmer bit of the tyre.
I like this forum, everyone is a bit of a w
k here 
Birky_41 said:
Prof Prolapse said:
I don't see any reason why a GS travelling at 40mph couldn't keep up with any sportsbike travelling at 40mph.
It's amazing how pride seems to take a kicking when it does though!
https://youtu.be/dyfrF8NJDjg
It really did buck and wobble every bit as much as the video shows
bennyboysvuk said:
I was trying to analogise to get the point across. You couldn't put GS man on a race track as he'd be wrecking it with his footpegs/engine casing in no time.
What I was trying to say was that if you're on tyres that have no heat in the edges, you can't stay put in your seat and lean it over to the edge and carry loads of speed like you can when your tyres are hot. However, if you hang off, you can stay with a person not hanging off who does have warm tyres and isn't hanging off. There you go, clear as mud.
How hot do you think your tyres get on the road?What I was trying to say was that if you're on tyres that have no heat in the edges, you can't stay put in your seat and lean it over to the edge and carry loads of speed like you can when your tyres are hot. However, if you hang off, you can stay with a person not hanging off who does have warm tyres and isn't hanging off. There you go, clear as mud.
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