20mph limit in City of London

20mph limit in City of London

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sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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mitzy said:
Something even more pointless for the CoL Police to do all day

WFH today so will check out Southwark Bridge tomorrow
As said above loving the perm 20MPH sign rolleyes
OK I checked this morning.. I travel north to south. In this direction as you turn left off upper thames street to Southwalk bridge there is a 30mph sign which appears to be covering the 20.. so without a repeater travelling south its 30mph over the whole bridge. The 30 sign appears to be one of those corregated plastic temp jobs.. I would at a guess suspect 'someone' forgot to remove it and then it will show the new 20 limit on the sign underneath.
Mid way on the south to north side is the less than solidly fixed speed limit sign. Facing towards me travelling south it says 30mph... I'll check when I go home tonight but given the photo on the other website its likley to make it 20mph from this point only travelling south to north.
Frankly bizzare.. esp that its 30mph for the whole bridge in one direction only (currently)


Edited by sjtscott on Tuesday 22 July 11:53

catso

14,771 posts

266 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Ballon said:
They will have a hard time policing it unless they stick in a whole load more average speed cameras as per Tower bridge and Lower Thames street.
Depends on their priorities, I see many Police authorities complaining of lack of funding, cutbacks, closing Police stations etc. yet somehow they seem to find resources for the most heinous crime of all...

ccr32

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1,968 posts

217 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Here's the link to the website provided on the hand-out I was given by plod yesterday:

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-...

Providing this is enforced upon buses as well, fine - I would have thought it would make a difference if you're hit by one at 20mph vs. 30mph as a pedestrian. I've got a suspicion though that a blind eye will be turned towards them, as it always is, and the rest of us mere mortals in/on our own vehicles will be victimised, whilst those who drive the great big red stinking noisy polluting poverty-mobiles will get away with their abhorrent roadmanship forever more.

(I apologise if you are a bus driver, and a good one at that, but seeing as speed limits can be seemingly blindly blanketed across swathes of city, I shall blanket my hatred of the big red things in the same fashion - ok?! smile )

immigrant

397 posts

194 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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Fleegle said:
Why exactly are they introducing this? No doubt to protect the Darwin candidates that try crossing the road with their heads down txting m8's
This really, really baffles me.

Central London now resembles Lagos with the amount of people mindlessly wandering into traffic.

Is this to do with the general sense of self-importance with these people? Or rather that the average pedestrian and cyclist have never held a driving license and thus have no understanding of what their actions mean for people driving and riding vehicles?

sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Tuesday 22nd July 2014
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ccr32 said:
Here's the link to the website provided on the hand-out I was given by plod yesterday:

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-...

Providing this is enforced upon buses as well, fine - I would have thought it would make a difference if you're hit by one at 20mph vs. 30mph as a pedestrian. I've got a suspicion though that a blind eye will be turned towards them, as it always is, and the rest of us mere mortals in/on our own vehicles will be victimised, whilst those who drive the great big red stinking noisy polluting poverty-mobiles will get away with their abhorrent roadmanship forever more.

(I apologise if you are a bus driver, and a good one at that, but seeing as speed limits can be seemingly blindly blanketed across swathes of city, I shall blanket my hatred of the big red things in the same fashion - ok?! smile )
There's def some clever wording in that article OP. It would fool most people into thinking its a good thing. The spot speed crap.. sure I bet this was taken peak time during the week not during the weekend when the place is like a ghost town. Surely if peak spot speeds during the busy period are really just less than 22mph (for four wheeled vehicles) why would you need to spend all that money making and enforcing a 20mph limit?

Again it seems to pander (as has been said in another post) to those that don't pay any attention to crossing the road as a pedestrian too busy with their self importance or using their bloody smartphone rather than looking.

But then again you're always safer riding/driving spending more time looking at your speedo than whats going on round you lol Then again I'm sure its going to net someone some cash even if its not the city themselves.

sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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sjtscott said:
OK I checked this morning.. I travel north to south. In this direction as you turn left off upper thames street to Southwalk bridge there is a 30mph sign which appears to be covering the 20.. so without a repeater travelling south its 30mph over the whole bridge. The 30 sign appears to be one of those corregated plastic temp jobs.. I would at a guess suspect 'someone' forgot to remove it and then it will show the new 20 limit on the sign underneath.
Mid way on the south to north side is the less than solidly fixed speed limit sign. Facing towards me travelling south it says 30mph... I'll check when I go home tonight but given the photo on the other website its likley to make it 20mph from this point only travelling south to north.
Frankly bizzare.. esp that its 30mph for the whole bridge in one direction only (currently)


Edited by sjtscott on Tuesday 22 July 11:53
Seems the South to North Speed limit sign has been changed as I passed it this morning its now 'correctly' showing the first half of the bridge north to south as 20mph

chrispwill

177 posts

123 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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My commute ends at tower hill station, guess I got away with this one smile

black-k1

11,889 posts

228 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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The CoL doing this is bad enough but the worry is how many London boroughs will think this is a great idea and will do the same.

mitzy

13,857 posts

196 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Rode over Southwark Bridge this morning
Yep two very cheap and nasty 20mph signs approaching Lower Thames Street.
I found it very difficult to get down to that speed it's like a crawl.
I reckon come the winter it will cause lots of issues

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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y2blade said:
Pothole said:
mitzy said:
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/services/transport-...

Just found this. So why only half way over Southwark Bridge?
Because the City ends there?
QED.

TT Tim

4,162 posts

246 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Will be all of Southwark soon...

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/info/100011/transport_...

Interesting point from their FAQs:

14. Are other boroughs doing something similar?

The boroughs of Islington and Camden have already implemented borough wide
20mph schemes. The City, Greenwich, Hackney, Haringey and Waltham Forest are
currently considering implementing similar schemes.

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/...

T

Edited by TT Tim on Wednesday 23 July 11:18

sjtscott

4,215 posts

230 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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mitzy said:
Rode over Southwark Bridge this morning
Yep two very cheap and nasty 20mph signs approaching Lower Thames Street.
I found it very difficult to get down to that speed it's like a crawl.
I reckon come the winter it will cause lots of issues
Interestingly I haven't seen any sign of the police yet.. maybe they'll have an enforcement week at some point soon.. I can just see them doing this given that they appear to be doing this in the main CoL area.

Its a strange limit for just a few hundred metres until you get to the traffic lights when it becomes 30mph again. Again its a useful for some of us but overall odd bridge in the fact it hardly gets any traffic compared to all other central london bridges

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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immigrant said:
Fleegle said:
Why exactly are they introducing this? No doubt to protect the Darwin candidates that try crossing the road with their heads down txting m8's
This really, really baffles me.

Central London now resembles Lagos with the amount of people mindlessly wandering into traffic.

Is this to do with the general sense of self-importance with these people? Or rather that the average pedestrian and cyclist have never held a driving license and thus have no understanding of what their actions mean for people driving and riding vehicles?
Nor have you.

Biker's Nemesis

38,536 posts

207 months

Wednesday 23rd July 2014
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Meanwhile the rest of the UK carries on as normal.

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Pothole said:
immigrant said:
Fleegle said:
Why exactly are they introducing this? No doubt to protect the Darwin candidates that try crossing the road with their heads down txting m8's
This really, really baffles me.

Central London now resembles Lagos with the amount of people mindlessly wandering into traffic.

Is this to do with the general sense of self-importance with these people? Or rather that the average pedestrian and cyclist have never held a driving license and thus have no understanding of what their actions mean for people driving and riding vehicles?
Nor have you.
Here you go again you sad tt, nobody gives a toss, save it for the rest of the site but don't bring your pedantic bks onto BB.

Justices

3,681 posts

163 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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I wish my fellow Londoners would tell the people who dream up this stupidity where to shove it! Bending over, taking it up the pipe and grumbling gets you nowhere.

londonbabe

2,044 posts

191 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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immigrant said:
This really, really baffles me.

Central London now resembles Lagos with the amount of people mindlessly wandering into traffic.

Is this to do with the general sense of self-importance with these people? Or rather that the average pedestrian and cyclist have never held a driving license and thus have no understanding of what their actions mean for people driving and riding vehicles?
Oi, leave cyclist out of this. I cycle through the City of London twice a day, and I am completely on the motorist's side here. Those jaywalking pedestrians walking in the road are a total menace. Totally wrapped up in their own sense of self importance and peering into their phones. While they are going to come off worst if they hit a car they could easily cause a cyclist a major injury or force them into the path of a bus or truck.

The number of people I have told that they are not getting their Tufty Club badge is quite high.