New Tax Disc Rules

[moanthebairns]

LoonR1 said:

moanthebairns said:

Even though I pay it in full lets see what I could spend £30 on.

I am however in awe of how well you're doing in life though.

If you sell all 3 vehicles every year then you'll be £30 worse off each year. If that's life changing then you shouldn't have three vehicles.

I'm clearly not in awe of how you are doing in life, or is just standard tightfistedness so beloved of the Jocks?

did I at any point say its "LIFE CHANGING", no you have just now.

you said if you think it matters...

will I miss £30 no,
would I rather have it, hell yeah.
would you rather have it, of course you would, your a lying bd if you say otherwise or your are Bono.

[LoonR1]

But you've made a mountain out of this molehill. It's just one of those costs incurred in running / owning / selling a vehicle.

From a bike perspective it's completely irrelevant. On the car I'm in the top tax bracket and that'd cost me about £45. Would that matter to me if it meant selling the car. Nope. Not one jot.

[moanthebairns]

LoonR1 said:

But you've made a mountain out of this molehill. It's just one of those costs incurred in running / owning / selling a vehicle.

From a bike perspective it's completely irrelevant. On the car I'm in the top tax bracket and that'd cost me about £45. Would that matter to me if it meant selling the car. Nope. Not one jot.

fking hell, I haven't seen such a badly put together U-turn since I did my mod 1.

This from a man who kept the penny I gave you a few months ago!

I think you should put your money where your mouth is and give me £30 a month for the next year.

Each month I will buy various bikey items and post on here.

[black-k1]

I’m with MTB on this. Is £30 in that example (which assumes you sell/buy each vehicle once per year) important to me on the grand scheme of things? – No!

(Just remember that if you enjoy buying and selling older vehicles that fall into the high car tax band, but are not a motor trader, then the cost could be over £400 per year)

Am I upset that I’ll be giving the government yet another £30 tax for absolutely nothing extra in return? – Yes!

As a tax/benefits net contributor already making a significant contribution to the tax revenues of this country then I am pissed off that another "stealth tax", however small, is being implemented.

[catso]

LoonR1 said:

bike tax is all of £60 a year.

On a 'girls' bike maybe, on a 600cc + it's £80...

[sc0tt]

moanthebairns said:

fking hell, I haven't seen such a badly put together U-turn since I did my mod 1.

[RizzoTheRat]

moanthebairns said:

chocolate gateaux from Asda - I could buy 30 of these that would last me 90 days

Clearly you have better self control than I do.

[Lee540]

powerstans said:

No I have a standard plate on my CB1300, its to big a bike to worry about the asthetics of small plates.

Makes all the difference to me, tail tidy and 7x5 on my CB1300.



Go for it!

[moanthebairns]

RizzoTheRat said:

moanthebairns said:

chocolate gateaux from Asda - I could buy 30 of these that would last me 90 days

Clearly you have better self control than I do.

You should try the profiterole gateau, it’s a wonder I’m so skinny when I go through one of these a week, a normal gateau, box of ice cream and double desert Tuesday when I finish the other half’s cheese cake

[Tyre Tread]

Can nobody else see what is the driver (pardon the pun) behind this.

Move car tax from an annual to a monthy bill. Then increase a few quid a month. People are used to paying things monthly now so little resistace.

Now instead of a riot when they inceras RFL by £120.00 PA there will be far less reaction when it goes up £10p/m.

Similar con to fuel in gallons vs litres only on a bigger scale.

[moanthebairns]

Tyre Tread said:

Can nobody else see what is the driver (pardon the pun) behind this.

Move car tax from an annual to a monthy bill. Then increase a few quid a month. People are used to paying things monthly now so little resistace.

Now instead of a riot when they inceras RFL by £120.00 PA there will be far less reaction when it goes up £10p/m.

Similar con to fuel in gallons vs litres only on a bigger scale.

which is why each month I put away enough to cover my bikes and car in a accessible isa

when its due I simply extract the full amount and pay rather than the 6 months + 10 per cent

I do this for insurance, servicing and tyres.

[LoonR1]

moanthebairns said:

fking hell, I haven't seen such a badly put together U-turn since I did my mod 1.

This from a man who kept the penny I gave you a few months ago!

I think you should put your money where your mouth is and give me £30 a month for the next year.

Each month I will buy various bikey items and post on here.

What u-turn? You really don't understand this do you?

You lose £30 if you sell all your vehicles at once and you lose it once. Not every month. It's like talking to a brickwall when it comes to money with you.

[Tyre Tread]

moanthebairns said:

Tyre Tread said:

Can nobody else see what is the driver (pardon the pun) behind this.

Move car tax from an annual to a monthy bill. Then increase a few quid a month. People are used to paying things monthly now so little resistace.

Now instead of a riot when they inceras RFL by £120.00 PA there will be far less reaction when it goes up £10p/m.

Similar con to fuel in gallons vs litres only on a bigger scale.

which is why each month I put away enough to cover my bikes and car in a accessible isa

when its due I simply extract the full amount and pay rather than the 6 months + 10 per cent

I do this for insurance, servicing and tyres.

I am also able to pay for the things I want to pay for as they need paying for but you're missing the point.

Its not about affordability. It's about the appearance of adding only a small amount to the RFL but being able to do it in larger amounts when its broken down into monthly instalments bacuse it doesn't seem as bad to those hwo can't or can't be bothered to work out what the annual increase in cost really is therby diluting the ill feeling it would generate.

[LoonR1]

catso said:

On a 'girls' bike maybe, on a 600cc + it's £80...

Oh well that changes everything

[moanthebairns]

Prof Prolapse said:

moanthebairns said:

will I need to tax my various vehicles if Scotland goes independent?

If they've any sense they'll just abandon it entirely and take the money from elsewhere. Like what the British government should be doing now.

apologies loon, you posted right after this from prolapse.

I read his above post then read this

Wow. That'll be a real money spinner when bike tax is all of £60 a year.

Even on the most expensive car tax you're looking at £42.

Big fking deal.

I assumed initially you were going on about how taxing a car/bike for a year is fk all as you would be paying it via direct debit and you wouldn't miss it. hence why I quoted my costs for a year

turns out you were talking about not getting a months tax back when you sold it on.

im with you, who gives a fk about that, Christ I put 6 months of tax on my last sale to seal the deal.

I still want my penny back

[moanthebairns]

Tyre Tread said:

moanthebairns said:

Tyre Tread said:

Can nobody else see what is the driver (pardon the pun) behind this.

Move car tax from an annual to a monthy bill. Then increase a few quid a month. People are used to paying things monthly now so little resistace.

Now instead of a riot when they inceras RFL by £120.00 PA there will be far less reaction when it goes up £10p/m.

Similar con to fuel in gallons vs litres only on a bigger scale.

which is why each month I put away enough to cover my bikes and car in a accessible isa

when its due I simply extract the full amount and pay rather than the 6 months + 10 per cent

I do this for insurance, servicing and tyres.

I am also able to pay for the things I want to pay for as they need paying for but you're missing the point.

Its not about affordability. It's about the appearance of adding only a small amount to the RFL but being able to do it in larger amounts when its broken down into monthly instalments bacuse it doesn't seem as bad to those hwo can't or can't be bothered to work out what the annual increase in cost really is therby diluting the ill feeling it would generate.

meh this happens all the time.

[Prof Prolapse]

LoonR1 said:

Prof Prolapse said:

I don't understand your point. You think because tax is relatively low per vehicle it doesn't matter? What about when you collect it 35,000,000 times then?

So every single car gets sold every single year. Get real. So elf those will be zero rated too so discount them and the ones at £30 a year

Everybody is massively over playing this.

That's because you're confusing everyone. MTB was on about personal cost of taxation, I similarly was on about government returns based on tax discs and you talking about someone elses point.

I love how quickly you believed we were utter morons though.

[moanthebairns]

Prof Prolapse said:

LoonR1 said:

Prof Prolapse said:

I don't understand your point. You think because tax is relatively low per vehicle it doesn't matter? What about when you collect it 35,000,000 times then?

So every single car gets sold every single year. Get real. So elf those will be zero rated too so discount them and the ones at £30 a year

Everybody is massively over playing this.

That's because you're confusing everyone. MTB was on about personal cost of taxation, I similarly was on about government returns based on tax discs and you talking about someone else point.

I love how willing to believe we were that stupid though.

im confused has loon backpedalled or have I? Work got in the way.

did he think he was being too obtuse after his initial post? or was he going about getting the tax back for just one month from his initial post right after prolapse posted.

its all very confusing.

[Prof Prolapse]

Yeah my head hurts.

This never would have happened under the old paper based system.

[moanthebairns]

im going for a fag.