RE: MotoGP Silverstone - Brit hopefuls
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Dare2Fail said:
Neuroflips said:
Dare2Fail said:
Neuroflips said:
Crutchlow is a whinger who should't be there and he will bin it again. Ducrappy? The pilot is Toocrappy, look at the other riders FFS!
Like or loathe the guy's character, but to suggest a rider who got multiple podiums and at least one pole position last year doesn't deserve to be there just makes you come across as spectacularly ill informed. Of course he deserves to be there, he's a very fast rider. As to whether he deserves to be in MotoGP at the end of next year, time will tell. No, I don't think that any of the riders you've listed would ride away from Crutchlow. The level of riding in MotoGP is far and away higher than WSBK. Crutchlow has already raced the likes of Sykes and Laverty, and if memory serves me correctly he beat them. Sykes has found his form over the last couple of years and I rate him highly, but I don't think he'd do anything more than Cal, and he may even do worse.
Byrne has tried and failed at both MotoGP and WSBK, which saddens me as I am a huge fan. Camier could come good, but if you look at his track record he has won BSB on a bike that had such a huge budget behind it that it was only ever going to win. In WSBK he never really had a chance to shine.
The Lowes twins and Redding are the future, with Redding being the safer bet. That said, if you think any of the riders listed would be much quicker than Cal then what you are effectively saying is that they would be at least as quick as Pedrosa, Rossi and Lorenzo, as last year on the M1 the gap between Crutchlow and the top guys was pretty small.
This year Crutchlow has behaved like a spoiled child in front of the cameras at times. That said, if you can remove your dislike for the guy's personality from the equation I can't see how you can't conclude that he deserves to be in the top class of bike racing.
Neuroflips said:
Look, this is a forum and from my previous experience this is a vehicle for banter and suchlike. You are only stating your opinion as am I and you can't deconstruct opinion. My opinion, and that of many others on the forums and farther afield is that CC is a prat. The Q7 stuff I was told about and by the time I got online he had deleted the thread. That tells us something. He is there because of Dorna. The bragging and petulance is a fact. He lives in the IOM because he doesn't want to pay his tax. Foggy was a prat during his time at the top, but.. He was winning races and championships and has recently admitted as such, but he earned it! CC has earned FA. What has he ever won? Thousands will never turn out to see him race! The guys I mentioned were examples and you cannot state for a fact that they wouldn't have the better of him unless they all get on the same bikes under equal conditions etc,etc. So it is just opinion. Spectacularly ill-informed? WTF? That's a personal comment trying to be constructive. I have been watching bikes since Max won his 250 title on a Rothman's Honda so I'm sure I'm as well-informed as you seem to think you are. ANYWAY... Time will tell about CC and I wouldn't be putting too much money on any more silverware from him.
Hang on, you asked me two questions in your last post. You asked if I'd seen the Q7 comments, and I responded. You then asked for my views on the other riders you listed, which I then commented on along with my rationale for why I don't think they would be doing any better than CC. If you don't want my opinions then don't ask me questions. I don't think anything I said in my reply was out of order, but it seems to have caused offence. If memory serves me correctly I said that you came across as ill informed, I never said that were actually ill informed. A small difference but a key difference. I stand by the comment by the way as the comment that CC doesn't deserve to be in MotoGP is, in my opinion, blatantly incorrect. Each to their own though.
Neuroflips said:
tight5 said:
Neuroflips said:
What has he ever won?
UK Junior Challenge in 1999Aprilia RS125 Challenge in 2001
British Supersport Championship in 2006
World Supersport Championship in 2009
You have to remmber gp is as much about business as sport so riders get selected not purely on who's fastest, so you mightthink rider x is s
t and rider y could be quicker wheras the team who at the end of the day are paying think rider x is bringing st loads of money in which we can plough back into the team.What riders people choose to support is interesting , I support bridewell,redding,bradley purely because there my most local riders, but everyone has different reasons.
When CC was on the Tech3 he was obviously wanting a factory ride, hungry for that he made the best of his results and did very well on the bike, now he's got what he wanted and also the harsh truth that it won't make him a race winner I think he's just lost the plot. Still, he's been gifted a lot of money but is now on the rough ride back to BSB IMHO.
MajorProblem said:
When CC was on the Tech3 he was obviously wanting a factory ride, hungry for that he made the best of his results and did very well on the bike, now he's got what he wanted and also the harsh truth that it won't make him a race winner I think he's just lost the plot. Still, he's been gifted a lot of money but is now on the rough ride back to BSB IMHO.
Rubbish.At the end of cal's time with tech3 the option of staying with them was never on the cards because yam wanted pol and if tech3 didn't have pol yam would remove there assistance and bradders had his contract for 2014 nicely stitched up.
So with honda/yam factory seats already full where exactly was cal going to go?
I think he was pretty clever having the one year opt out with ducati, if the gamble had worked he could stay if it didn't work he could leave.
Neuroflips said:
Yeah, bit too early I guess
Well , I wasn't expecting that reply !
From Wikipedia -
"On 1 October 2009 Yamaha announced that Crutchlow would make the move from World Supersport to the Superbike World Championship in 2010. His teammate is former world champion James Toseland, who rejoined the Superbike World Championship after losing his place in MotoGP. He took his first series pole at his second meeting, at Portimão, but did not win either race. He stoked controversy after the first race there by mentioning in an interview that he was well clear of Toseland when he crashed out, but insists that he is not arrogant. Toseland later pointed out that Crutchlow's tendency to speak his mind means that not everybody can get on with him"
Maybe that's what you're getting ?
egor110 said:
Rubbish.
At the end of cal's time with tech3 the option of staying with them was never on the cards because yam wanted pol and if tech3 didn't have pol yam would remove there assistance and bradders had his contract for 2014 nicely stitched up.
So with honda/yam factory seats already full where exactly was cal going to go?
I think he was pretty clever having the one year opt out with ducati, if the gamble had worked he could stay if it didn't work he could leave.
Agree with all of this, although one small thing to clarify. It came out after the fact that Cal could've stayed at Tech3. If that had happened them Smith was going to get put on the Forward Yamaha. Discussions were already in place for this move. If memory serves me, it was Smith who came out and explained that this was going on. At the end of cal's time with tech3 the option of staying with them was never on the cards because yam wanted pol and if tech3 didn't have pol yam would remove there assistance and bradders had his contract for 2014 nicely stitched up.
So with honda/yam factory seats already full where exactly was cal going to go?
I think he was pretty clever having the one year opt out with ducati, if the gamble had worked he could stay if it didn't work he could leave.
The being said, Cal was quite correct that he was never going to get more than the odd podium without a true factory ride. With the Honda and Yamaha team locked up he only had one place left to go.
Neuroflips said:
tight5 said:
Neuroflips said:
What has he ever won?
UK Junior Challenge in 1999Aprilia RS125 Challenge in 2001
British Supersport Championship in 2006
World Supersport Championship in 2009
Wow, there's some real anti Cal Crutchlow sentiment going on here, pretty sad really.
So what if he's arrogant, you all seem to have forgotten how good he was on the Tech3 Yam last year, just about every race he made a decent show of it. He's somebody we should be proud of, just like Redding or Smith.
This year hasn't been great for him sure, but he's on that wayward Ducati and luck definitely hasn't been on his side.
His move to LCR for next year will be the big tester, I'm sure he'll be up there.
So stop knocking the guy for being able to do something the rest of you could only dream about - sour grapes for sure.
I for one will be cheering on all the Brits in all the classes.
So what if he's arrogant, you all seem to have forgotten how good he was on the Tech3 Yam last year, just about every race he made a decent show of it. He's somebody we should be proud of, just like Redding or Smith.
This year hasn't been great for him sure, but he's on that wayward Ducati and luck definitely hasn't been on his side.
His move to LCR for next year will be the big tester, I'm sure he'll be up there.
So stop knocking the guy for being able to do something the rest of you could only dream about - sour grapes for sure.
I for one will be cheering on all the Brits in all the classes.
While I quite like Cal I don't think he will ever be challenging for the top. Redding on the other hand has shown he can take it to MM even when he had a huge weight disadvantage; just look at the performances in moto2. If Redding doesn't find himself in a factory ride next year (and not at Ducati)it will be a crying shame.
topsprayer said:
While I quite like Cal I don't think he will ever be challenging for the top. Redding on the other hand has shown he can take it to MM even when he had a huge weight disadvantage; just look at the performances in moto2. If Redding doesn't find himself in a factory ride next year (and not at Ducati)it will be a crying shame.
It will be interesting to see if redding will be in the green/white go & fun livery this weekend, this i believe could answer a few questions as to next year.Cal is the only rider in the last couple of years to take the fight to the podium, consistently on a factory satellite bike.
He is British.
Therefore we all must hate him, everything he says, chooses to do or says is bks. Previously the prospect of his success excited us as fans, finally a fighter, a charger, someone who can take it to em.
No one has won on a satellite bike since 2006, but because he is British, was successful and did what anyone else would have done ( Rossi, Dovi, Hayden et al) and got himself a factory bike, now, he's a wker. Can't be deserving because Brits don't deserve these things do they, only Spaniards, Americans, Australians and Italians.
How many continue to promote Aleix Espagaro to a factory seat for what????? He's really won feck all.
Smith is a wker because he's Smith, British and a bit ginger/bald.
When Redding starts getting on the podium and says a couple of controversial things he'll be the next target. Unlucky Scott you young up and coming hope of the nation, once you rise to top we shall cast lots of abuse at you too. You'll be "too big for your boots", a "whinger", "arrogant" etc ...
As for living on the IoM, lest not forget Jonny Rea, or Camier in Andorra or Laverty in Monaco or a raft of other people as well.... What they do to earn a living doesn't last for long and can pay the ultimate price. I do not begrudge them this ability and most would do it themselves of they didn't have a normal day job to go to.
He is British.
Therefore we all must hate him, everything he says, chooses to do or says is b
ks. Previously the prospect of his success excited us as fans, finally a fighter, a charger, someone who can take it to em.No one has won on a satellite bike since 2006, but because he is British, was successful and did what anyone else would have done ( Rossi, Dovi, Hayden et al) and got himself a factory bike, now, he's a w
ker. Can't be deserving because Brits don't deserve these things do they, only Spaniards, Americans, Australians and Italians.How many continue to promote Aleix Espagaro to a factory seat for what????? He's really won feck all.
Smith is a w
ker because he's Smith, British and a bit ginger/bald.When Redding starts getting on the podium and says a couple of controversial things he'll be the next target. Unlucky Scott you young up and coming hope of the nation, once you rise to top we shall cast lots of abuse at you too. You'll be "too big for your boots", a "whinger", "arrogant" etc ...
As for living on the IoM, lest not forget Jonny Rea, or Camier in Andorra or Laverty in Monaco or a raft of other people as well.... What they do to earn a living doesn't last for long and can pay the ultimate price. I do not begrudge them this ability and most would do it themselves of they didn't have a normal day job to go to.
Edited by Johno on Wednesday 27th August 12:56
egor110 said:
topsprayer said:
While I quite like Cal I don't think he will ever be challenging for the top. Redding on the other hand has shown he can take it to MM even when he had a huge weight disadvantage; just look at the performances in moto2. If Redding doesn't find himself in a factory ride next year (and not at Ducati)it will be a crying shame.
It will be interesting to see if redding will be in the green/white go & fun livery this weekend, this i believe could answer a few questions as to next year.topsprayer said:
egor110 said:
topsprayer said:
While I quite like Cal I don't think he will ever be challenging for the top. Redding on the other hand has shown he can take it to MM even when he had a huge weight disadvantage; just look at the performances in moto2. If Redding doesn't find himself in a factory ride next year (and not at Ducati)it will be a crying shame.
It will be interesting to see if redding will be in the green/white go & fun livery this weekend, this i believe could answer a few questions as to next year.He'll be on a gresini bike ( at least this year) however if the sponsors have stopped paying how long do you give them free ad space for?
Ahonen said:
Neuroflips said:
tight5 said:
Neuroflips said:
What has he ever won?
UK Junior Challenge in 1999Aprilia RS125 Challenge in 2001
British Supersport Championship in 2006
World Supersport Championship in 2009
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