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DervVW

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2,223 posts

139 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Looking at the DVLA website as a full car license holder and being over 25 I can ride any bike on L plates?
Or at least that's how I read it.

Since the last two wheeled bike I had was actually a 50cc moped, I suspect picking up a ninja would be suicidal.. so what would the seasoned bikers recommend as a start bike, maybe that I could do a commute on too?

xstian

1,973 posts

146 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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I would recommend taking your bike test. You can't ride a bike with out a bike licence. You used to be able to ride a 50cc on a car licence, but I'm not even sure that is the case now.

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

198 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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You need to do a cbt then you can ride up to a 125cc bike limited to a certain amount of power, about 13bhp, on L plates.

You can only ride anything bigger if accompanied by an instructor.

jcelee

1,039 posts

244 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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If you've held a license for a long time (since the 90s) then you will be entitled to ride a 50cc moped without L plates or any training. I'd not bother and go straight for a CBT. At this stage you can decide whether you want to take it any further.

thatdude

2,655 posts

127 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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If you are serious about wanting to ride, skip the 50 cc bike you may/may not be entitled to ride on your car lisence; the lack of power makes them dangerous for anywhere but local quiet roads.

Go and get some training!

stoneb09

57 posts

116 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Get your CBT done, if anything it will make you a safer rider and will illustrate if you want to take up biking for good. The CBT is a brilliant day out as well!

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

165 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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DervVW said:
Looking at the DVLA website as a full car license holder and being over 25 I can ride any bike on L plates?
Or at least that's how I read it.
You definitely read that wrong. CBT, then you can read a 125 on L plates, anything bigger and you need to be accompanied by an instructor, and you need to pass a test based on the size of bike you want to ride.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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DervVW said:
Looking at the DVLA website as a full car license holder and being over 25 I can ride any bike on L plates?
Or at least that's how I read it.

Since the last two wheeled bike I had was actually a 50cc moped, I suspect picking up a ninja would be suicidal.. so what would the seasoned bikers recommend as a start bike, maybe that I could do a commute on too?
You've done well reading it that way. It's completely wrong. You have to take a CBT to ride any other bike than a 50cc moped (even that assumes you've held a car licence since the mid 90s at least). You'll be limited to a 125cc bike with a specific power output cap too and be required to display L plates. As you're over 25 you can do the full tests on a bigger bike and then move to being able to ride any bike you like.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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LoonR1 said:
You've done well reading it that way. It's completely wrong.
biglaugh


Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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It's been a very very long time since you could ride larger bikes (unaccompanied) on "L" plates, even I'm not old enough for that.

I was 17 in 1978, and even then we were limited to 250cc solo, the only way you could ride anything bigger on "L" plates was to have a sidecar attached to it (back then you weren't even allowed to ride above 250cc if accompanied), and there were some very silly sidecars that enabled you to flout the law, one was called a sidewinder I seem to remember, but they were horrid and anyone using them had the piss taken badly.

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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As a side question, who is allowed to accompany an "L" rider ?

Is it like a car, where anyone with a full licence (over 21 I think these days) ?

bgunn

1,417 posts

131 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Nigel Worc's said:
As a side question, who is allowed to accompany an "L" rider ?

Is it like a car, where anyone with a full licence (over 21 I think these days) ?
If you mean pillion - no-one.

If you mean on a 'big' bike as part of DAS - you have to be over 21, have had your licence for at least 3 years, and be a registered DAS instructor. Instructor and pupils have to wear high vis with appropriate markings, and instructor has to have radio contact with pupils. And no more than 2 pupils per instructor.

DervVW

Original Poster:

2,223 posts

139 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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I'm not going mad then! I've held my full car license since 2002, so no grandad entitlement there. I wasn't sure I could ride anything beyond a 125cc with a certian power output on L plates.

For the record this is the text I read that suggested that I could ride any bike on L plates

(https://www.viewdrivingrecord.service.gov.uk/driving-record)

"Vehicles you can provisionally drive

Category : A
Start date: 22 Jun 1999
End date: 21 Jun 2052
Image of category A vehicle Hide information
Description

You can drive any size motorbike, with or without a sidecar"




I did do a CBT before that hence the 50cc previous experience, but if I recall it expires and hell yes training is a must.

Thank you for the replies and I apologies for making you all think I was about to ride away!

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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bgunn said:
Nigel Worc's said:
As a side question, who is allowed to accompany an "L" rider ?

Is it like a car, where anyone with a full licence (over 21 I think these days) ?
If you mean pillion - no-one.
I know that one, I was "caught" lol, and the Policeman had never heard of what I was saying, and couldn't believe his eyes when my licence of the time backed me up.

I wasn't sure who could and who couldn't now, regarding just riding with them, shame really, as you couldn't help an "L" rider like you could an "L" driver.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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DervVW said:
I'm not going mad then! I've held my full car license since 2002, so no grandad entitlement there. I wasn't sure I could ride anything beyond a 125cc with a certian power output on L plates.

For the record this is the text I read that suggested that I could ride any bike on L plates

(https://www.viewdrivingrecord.service.gov.uk/driving-record)

"Vehicles you can provisionally drive

Category : A
Start date: 22 Jun 1999
End date: 21 Jun 2052
Image of category A vehicle Hide information
Description

You can drive any size motorbike, with or without a sidecar"




I did do a CBT before that hence the 50cc previous experience, but if I recall it expires and hell yes training is a must.

Thank you for the replies and I apologies for making you all think I was about to ride away!
Looks like poor phasing, what a surprise on a government site eh?

CaptainMorgan

1,454 posts

159 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Looks pretty clear to me, provisionally being the important word.

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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CaptainMorgan said:
Looks pretty clear to me, provisionally being the important word.
Really ?

From that text I can understand his confusion, it says he can provisionally ride any sized motorcycle, with or without a sidecar.

It doesn't say he has to be supervised, and it doesn't say he may ride one below 125cc unsupervised.

carmadgaz

3,201 posts

183 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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Hooli said:
DervVW said:
I'm not going mad then! I've held my full car license since 2002, so no grandad entitlement there. I wasn't sure I could ride anything beyond a 125cc with a certian power output on L plates.

For the record this is the text I read that suggested that I could ride any bike on L plates

(https://www.viewdrivingrecord.service.gov.uk/driving-record)

"Vehicles you can provisionally drive

Category : A
Start date: 22 Jun 1999
End date: 21 Jun 2052
Image of category A vehicle Hide information
Description

You can drive any size motorbike, with or without a sidecar"




I did do a CBT before that hence the 50cc previous experience, but if I recall it expires and hell yes training is a must.

Thank you for the replies and I apologies for making you all think I was about to ride away!
Looks like poor phasing, what a surprise on a government site eh?
It does say "That you can provisionally drive". In this context it means with a DAS instructor as mentioned above. Like the car provisional having certain restrictions (like a license holding passenger)

morgrp

4,128 posts

198 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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As far as bikes are concerned - You could get a cracking deal on a new little CBR250 or something and would be ok for a commute but my advice would be get a moderate 600cc - something like a GSX-F 600 or CBR 600F - Not scary quick, more comfortable for a commute but enough shove to enjoy when you gain some experience. Learning the tricks of the trade on a Bike is exactly the same as in cars in that start with something moderate and easy to ride and gain some experience then start looking at more exciting options

Nigel Worc's

8,121 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st August 2014
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morgrp said:
As far as bikes are concerned - You could get a cracking deal on a new little CBR250 or something and would be ok for a commute but my advice would be get a moderate 600cc - something like a GSX-F 600 or CBR 600F - Not scary quick, more comfortable for a commute but enough shove to enjoy when you gain some experience. Learning the tricks of the trade on a Bike is exactly the same as in cars in that start with something moderate and easy to ride and gain some experience then start looking at more exciting options
True, but he cannot do that on a CBT, which is what the original post was about.