Starting out

[skahigh]

Lee540 said:

Why? Been riding for over 10 years.. on my commute I never feel the need to do this. 100 miles, mixture of country B roads and a little A road dual carriageway..

I'm only stating what I have been instructed to do, at slow speed it helps me with my balance.

Clearly you know better.

[Lee540]

skahigh said:

Lee540 said:

Why? Been riding for over 10 years.. on my commute I never feel the need to do this. 100 miles, mixture of country B roads and a little A road dual carriageway..

I'm only stating what I have been instructed to do, at slow speed it helps me with my balance.

Clearly you know better.

No, I've tried hanging off the bike when cornering like track racer style?! not hanging off the bike like road racer style?..

made no difference to me, so why bother.. seems easy enough to corner without moving your body around on the seat

[LoonR1]

skahigh said:

I'm only stating what I have been instructed to do, at slow speed it helps me with my balance.

Clearly you know better.

How long have you been riding?

[skahigh]

LoonR1 said:

How long have you been riding?

I'm currently under instruction to get my licence, as I said, I'm only regurgitating what I have been instructed to do, nothing more!

Others know much more than I and I'm not attempting to argue or disagree with anyone about this.

[skahigh]

Lee540 said:

skahigh said:

Lee540 said:

Why? Been riding for over 10 years.. on my commute I never feel the need to do this. 100 miles, mixture of country B roads and a little A road dual carriageway..

I'm only stating what I have been instructed to do, at slow speed it helps me with my balance.

Clearly you know better.

No, I've tried hanging off the bike when cornering like track racer style?! not hanging off the bike like road racer style?..

made no difference to me, so why bother.. seems easy enough to corner without moving your body around on the seat

I don't understand why you are talking about hanging off the bike? I was specifically referring to slow speed manoeuvres and only lifting one bum cheek ever so slightly off the seat. I've tried to be clear on that.

[LoonR1]

skahigh said:

I'm currently under instruction to get my licence, as I said, I'm only regurgitating what I have been instructed to do, nothing more!

Others know much more than I and I'm not attempting to argue or disagree with anyone about this.

I've no idea who's teaching you but it sounds very weird. They should be teaching you basic control not the stuff you're (incorrectly) going on about. Riding a bike is easy. The rest of it is fluff and styling it up for track work.

[CaptainSlow]

skahigh said:

I'm currently under instruction to get my licence, as I said, I'm only regurgitating what I have been instructed to do, nothing more!

Others know much more than I and I'm not attempting to argue or disagree with anyone about this.

Sounds like you're talking about counter balancing during slow speed stuff like U turns. When you go faster you lean with the bike to steer.

[skahigh]

CaptainSlow said:

skahigh said:

I'm currently under instruction to get my licence, as I said, I'm only regurgitating what I have been instructed to do, nothing more!

Others know much more than I and I'm not attempting to argue or disagree with anyone about this.

Sounds like you're talking about counter balancing during slow speed stuff like U turns. When you go faster you lean with the bike to steer.

Yes

[skahigh]

LoonR1 said:

skahigh said:

I'm currently under instruction to get my licence, as I said, I'm only regurgitating what I have been instructed to do, nothing more!

Others know much more than I and I'm not attempting to argue or disagree with anyone about this.

I've no idea who's teaching you but it sounds very weird. They should be teaching you basic control not the stuff you're (incorrectly) going on about. Riding a bike is easy. The rest of it is fluff and styling it up for track work.

What have I said that is incorrect?

I only stated that the OP may benefit from further training than just his CBT.

[JmeSwaz]

Well this certainly stayed on topic

Thanks for the helpful advice, just wanted to make sure that everything else would come in time. I'll be definitely taking my DAS in the next year, I wanted some more riding experience rather then starting out on a big bike.

I'll keep everything in mind when I next ride.

[LoonR1]

skahigh said:

What have I said that is incorrect?

I only stated that the OP may benefit from further training than just his CBT.

All this "lifting one bum cheek off the seat" "learn counter steering" it's all bks at this stage.

The bike is. It on a knife edge, you can do loads of stuff on it without falling off. If you don't counter steer already them you will crash at every blooming corner once you go over walking pace. It amazes me how people think it's a clever piece of magic. You'll have been doing it since you got rid of your stabilisers on first pedal bike as a child.

[skahigh]

LoonR1 said:

skahigh said:

What have I said that is incorrect?

I only stated that the OP may benefit from further training than just his CBT.

All this "lifting one bum cheek off the seat" "learn counter steering" it's all bks at this stage.

The bike is. It on a knife edge, you can do loads of stuff on it without falling off. If you don't counter steer already them you will crash at every blooming corner once you go over walking pace. It amazes me how people think it's a clever piece of magic. You'll have been doing it since you got rid of your stabilisers on first pedal bike as a child.

Please quote what I have specifically said that is incorrect, I'm keen to learn from someone more experienced than myself.

I stated that I wasn't taught about counter steering and weight shifting on my CBT, this is a fact. That I was (probably) doing it naturally is completely irrelevant.

[LoonR1]

skahigh said:

Please quote what I have specifically said that is incorrect, I'm keen to learn from someone more experienced than myself.

I stated that I wasn't taught about counter steering and weight shifting on my CBT, this is a fact. That I was (probably) doing it naturally is completely irrelevant.

You said you didn't learn it on your CBT, you said you learned it when riding bigger bikes, presumably as part of DAS. You'r posts are similar to those 17 year old kids who are in a car for the first time and start talking about heel and toe and a dab of oppo. It's all bks until you can ride a bit. There's. toning for you to learn on here, just ride the bike and get comfortable.

skahigh said:

I would have thought that some kind of extra training would be beneficial.

I recently did my CBT and wasn't told anything about where my body weight should be when cornering, counter steering, etc. Started learning that stuff in my first lesson on the big bikes.

CBT teaches you the basics of bike control and road safety but that really is it.

Edited by skahigh on Monday 1st September 21:12

[skahigh]

LoonR1 said:

skahigh said:

Please quote what I have specifically said that is incorrect, I'm keen to learn from someone more experienced than myself.

I stated that I wasn't taught about counter steering and weight shifting on my CBT, this is a fact. That I was (probably) doing it naturally is completely irrelevant.

You said you didn't learn it on your CBT, you said you learned it when riding bigger bikes, presumably as part of DAS. You'r posts are similar to those 17 year old kids who are in a car for the first time and start talking about heel and toe and a dab of oppo. It's all bks until you can ride a bit. There's. toning for you to learn on here, just ride the bike and get comfortable.

skahigh said:

I would have thought that some kind of extra training would be beneficial.

I recently did my CBT and wasn't told anything about where my body weight should be when cornering, counter steering, etc. Started learning that stuff in my first lesson on the big bikes.

CBT teaches you the basics of bike control and road safety but that really is it.

Edited by skahigh on Monday 1st September 21:12

You're making no sense and you still have not pointed out anything I have said that was factually incorrect.

You seem to have misinterpreted my previous posts and believe I am referring to advanced riding techniques that I know nothing about (re. your comment about 17 year olds).

For the final time, I have mentioned basic riding techniques that according to you everyone does naturally, I stated that these were not explicitly taught to me on my CBT. The latter is an indisputable fact.

I'll not respond again as you seem determined to make this an argument and I'm not interested.

[Mastodon2]

Listen to Loon, he does know what he is talking about. As for moving your arse around, you aren't going to be taxing the grip of the bike enough at speed to need to move your arse in corners yet, and at low speed you're better off keeping your arse firmly in the seat - you don't need to move around during low speed manoeuvring, in fact doing so is more likely to upset the bike, and it's just another thing to waste concentration on. Watch videos of police riders on their big BMWs and Pan Europeans, you don't see them needing to move about to muscle the bike though a a turn. Arse in seat, look where you want to go, throttle, clutch an back brake if you need it, then let the bike do the rest.

[LoonR1]

skahigh said:

You're making no sense and you still have not pointed out anything I have said that was factually incorrect.

You seem to have misinterpreted my previous posts and believe I am referring to advanced riding techniques that I know nothing about (re. your comment about 17 year olds).

For the final time, I have mentioned basic riding techniques that according to you everyone does naturally, I stated that these were not explicitly taught to me on my CBT. The latter is an indisputable fact.

I'll not respond again as you seem determined to make this an argument and I'm not interested.

I give up. All I'm pointing out is that you need to stop analysing every little thing you're doing and just ride to get practice. You're overthinking the whole thing. As for incorrect, then I'd say all this lifting an arsecheek is a load of crap if you want a specific.

[Mr2Mike]

LoonR1 said:

As for incorrect, then I'd say all this lifting an arsecheek is a load of crap if you want a specific.

Depends on whether you need to fart or not.

[crofty1984]

LoonR1 said:

Oh fk, here we go again. You can't ride a bike without counter steering, end of discussion. It's not a magic art, it's not something you've just learned, it's just something you've been made aware of. If you didn't counter steer you'd have crashed at the first corner every single time you went above walking pace.

Edited by LoonR1 on Monday 1st September 21:34

I agree, but being aware of what your body's doing to control the bike can help you ride better.

I also agree with the people saying look where you want to go and avoid target fixation. Every corner, plan a line and stick to it. Don't just "accidentally" go round a corner. Actively ride your bike round it. Plus, if you ride the same bit of road a lot of times, and you have a fixed line you always follow, you can start to experiment with taking that same line a LITTLE faster each time, getting used to leaning your bike over.