kawasaki ninja supercharged h2
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MC Bodge said:
If there's one thing that sports bikes really need, it is MORE POWER!
...or not..
Whilst I'm glad this impressive bike engine exists, I suspect that there could be better ways to improve bikes than just monstrous engines.
I'd like to see a supercharged Versys 650, though
That's the thing though, it's a halo bike and a technical tour de force. Compare it to the Veyron, too expensive to own or run, +400kph that you couldn't do anywhere,......or not..
Whilst I'm glad this impressive bike engine exists, I suspect that there could be better ways to improve bikes than just monstrous engines.
I'd like to see a supercharged Versys 650, though
But, it put Bugatti back on the map and the world is looking at what they'll do next. On top of that, the things learned re aerodynamics and cooling amongst others can trickle down to more "mundane" bikes.
This supercharger is a milestone imho. It opens the door for bikes with 600cc weight, 600cc fuel consumption with 1000cc and up bhp and torque.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/306320/images...
H2 front end looks pretty mean with the 3 LEDs (or whatever they are....)
H2 front end looks pretty mean with the 3 LEDs (or whatever they are....)
Yazza54 said:
RemyMartin said:
Yazza54 said:
Waiiiiit
H2 for the road.. 200bhp
Meh
Read that on visordown. Seems totally pointless if true. H2 for the road.. 200bhp
Meh
If the S/C arrangement is the same ie a 2 speed drive maintaining the boost at a constant across the rev range ala the H2R, it will make HUGE torque from zero.
lookat any 200bhp bike and it'll make that number at the absolute peak rpm point before dropping away, whereas torque will max at about 10k and then drop.
This H2 could be a total monster with the S/C providing constant boost into the 1000cc motor. Considering the power curve of aN/A bike depending on the boost/rpm table it could possibly better a normally aspirated superbikes power & torque curves by 25-30% ANYWHERE in the rev range and only flattening off at the top end.
Remember that torque = acceleration and bhp = top speed. With a huge amount of torque throughout the rev range, nothing will get close as long as the electronics aren't too intrusive.
Ponder on that for a moment
Edited by bass gt3 on Tuesday 7th October 17:04
Kawasaki made a 750 Turbo in in the early 80's. So I don't see what all the fuss is about. Yes I know this has a supercharger, and not a turbo, but it's still forced induction, and nothing new.
There are plenty of Hayabusa turbo's about with much more power if that's your bag.
It's also bloody ugly IMO. As are most sports bikes nowadays. So I won't be lusting after one. I'd rather have an original H2, the ones that cackled and smoked, and would still kill you with the dodgy handling and with a fraction of the power
There are plenty of Hayabusa turbo's about with much more power if that's your bag.
It's also bloody ugly IMO. As are most sports bikes nowadays. So I won't be lusting after one. I'd rather have an original H2, the ones that cackled and smoked, and would still kill you with the dodgy handling and with a fraction of the power
Yazza54 said:
I agree mate. But getting us all moist with 300bhp, then 250 road and now it's at 200 road it's sounding more and more diluted by the day and it's not even been released yet
I know, but think of it like your 443. You could make a peak figure thats super impressive but in the real world, a pig to ride off the pipe. Whereas you could let a few peak ponies loose and make a big fat power curve, making the bike much nice and faster.Same deal here. peeps get all wound up bout peak BHP when it's really meaningless. 300 bhp? Top speed of 240 mph?? pointless, like a Veyron. I'd rather have huge power from 6k, able to smear the back tyre into the road, leave huge lines everywhere and out accelerate the space shuttle, even if it tops out at 190/200 mph.
I don't get it either.Yazza54 said:
I'd have hoped they could still make it rideable with 220hp or more with a supercharger, but totally get where you're coming from.
Realistically even with the same power as a zx10 or hp4 it will no doubt be more mental due to the torque.
Seeing as the boost is controlled/regulated, it'l be 15 minutes before someones workedouthow to release a few extra. I would think that it'll runa smaller compressor that the R but either way, i doubt there's anything out now that'll keep up with it. And at any altitude! Realistically even with the same power as a zx10 or hp4 it will no doubt be more mental due to the torque.
Be interesting to see the torque curve of the thing, against the intakeboost pressure andwhetherthere's any bleeding off of theboost until high speed/high gears. If you can then map boost to rpm to gear, it'll be bonkers. Forget the ZZR etc, this thing will GO at any throttle, any rmpany gear. no need to be busy with the box, just woooosh, and you're gone.
Iactually think thisisa techbed for the bikesto come. 2speed centrifugal charged 600's with the power of a 1000 and huge torque right through the rev range. Add in selectable power maps and you'll have great economy if required right through to 1000esqe power when required. Consider how the quality of the elctronic systems has improved these last coupleof years. Now they have the ability to not only control such power but make it rideable. The N/A engine has peaked,new horizons are required. Look to F1 for what the future holds
As others have said, this 200bhp supercharged bike will probably have a lot of low rpm torque.
Given that current n/a 1000s can pick up the front wheel easily, it will probably need plenty of electronic intervention (ie. torque reduction) to keep the front wheel down, or it could be a direct drive, single-speed machine that will allow monstrous 1/4 miles with no shifting...
...in preparation for the electric bikes that we will all be riding in 10 years' time.
Given that current n/a 1000s can pick up the front wheel easily, it will probably need plenty of electronic intervention (ie. torque reduction) to keep the front wheel down, or it could be a direct drive, single-speed machine that will allow monstrous 1/4 miles with no shifting...
...in preparation for the electric bikes that we will all be riding in 10 years' time.
ZesPak said:
This supercharger is a milestone imho. It opens the door for bikes with 600cc weight, 600ccfuel consumption with 1000cc and up bhp and torque.
Bike fuel consumption is (mostly) fairly terrible. I've always liked the idea of a supercharged mid-sized dual-sport bike like a Versys or Tiger 800.
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