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sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/18/uk-syria-...
Did he not escaped them last time? He posted on here a while back.
For those who don't know this was 'Sonic' in superbike magazine.
F8CK!!!
Fingers crossed for you and others for your safe return.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/18/uk-syria-...
Did he not escaped them last time? He posted on here a while back.
For those who don't know this was 'Sonic' in superbike magazine.
F8CK!!!
Fingers crossed for you and others for your safe return.
Edited by ujio on Thursday 18th September 17:43
"You'll never lose the front on an SP1".
Should have stuck to bikes.
Why people go to Syria to report is beyond me.
He already escaped once but then when awol. A trial against a London based doctor accused of his first kidnap collapsed as he couldn't be called to court.
Must have been deep behind enemy lines.
Good luck John.
Should have stuck to bikes.
Why people go to Syria to report is beyond me.
He already escaped once but then when awol. A trial against a London based doctor accused of his first kidnap collapsed as he couldn't be called to court.
Must have been deep behind enemy lines.
Good luck John.
What deplorable actions from IS, by the sounds of things they're making him renounce his government and country. Despite what he may be claiming to the contrary, you can bet the knife at his throat is behind whatever he is saying, or planning to say over these coming videos.
A very sad situation, and I hope for his safe return, but the chances of that are almost nil. He would have had noble intentions of reporting in that s
tty dustbowl, but it was a mistake to go in there with a notepad and a camera, and not a gun. Sadly, these journalists are just being used as fodder for IS to further their own interests.
A very sad situation, and I hope for his safe return, but the chances of that are almost nil. He would have had noble intentions of reporting in that s
tty dustbowl, but it was a mistake to go in there with a notepad and a camera, and not a gun. Sadly, these journalists are just being used as fodder for IS to further their own interests. The simplest solution os for the BBC and other news agencies to blackout any mention of the murdering scum, that way although prisoners will undoubtedly die (and I think recent events show that falling into their hands is likely to have only one outcome) at least they wouldn't be getting the publicity.
Wedg1e said:
The simplest solution os for the BBC and other news agencies to blackout any mention of the murdering scum, that way although prisoners will undoubtedly die (and I think recent events show that falling into their hands is likely to have only one outcome) at least they wouldn't be getting the publicity.
Considering some of these hostages have been captive for well over a year with very little coverage suggests there already is/was a news blackout in place. Now the killing's begun it can't really be ignored - how much worse would it be if the BBC et al said nothing, and 12 months down the line the PM (like him or loathe him) then has to admit that 'x' UK nationals have all been executed?Prof Prolapse said:
Best of luck to him. He'll fking need it.
I hate to say it, but he's a dead man walking.king need it.Unlike the John McCarthy/Terry Waite era of hostage-taking, the captors involved nowadays operate on a totally different level and just want bloodshed.
Today's hostages aren't genuine assets in diplomatic negotiations as they're predecessors were in the 80s/90s, more simply a prop in a grotesque publicity drive. As the nut cases producing the videos state themselves, it's simply about retaliation.
Crossflow Kid said:
Considering some of these hostages have been captive for well over a year with very little coverage suggests there already is/was a news blackout in place. Now the killing's begun it can't really be ignored - how much worse would it be if the BBC et al said nothing, and 12 months down the line the PM (like him or loathe him) then has to admit that 'x' UK nationals have all been executed?
Maybe so, but we get the picture: they've got prisoners, they hate the West, prisoners will die. It doesn't need to be the headlines every time. Acknowledgement certainly but no more. And Youtube should be all over posted videos of that nature, with the legal powers of the countries in which they operate ready to step in and close them down if they don't. Freedom of speech my arse.And after all the prisoners are dead, then what? They've already sent a message that if you're a Westener and they catch you, you're dead. So anyone with any sense will get the hell out and leave them to knock seven bells out of each other, but with the knowledge that the second they make a move outside their territory, it'll be napalm and cruise missiles all over again. We've got that technology, they haven't.
Do we have to wait until the fundamentalists in our own country start chopping off heads here before we act?
/blood pressure
You think "the legal powers in the countries in which they operate"......
a) aren't already a bit busy
b) have the technology to act and,
c) (most of all) actually give a st?
Or are you suggesting we start dictating to the less cooperative bits of the Middle East on how to do business or we'll blow them up? Isn't that how we got in to this mess?
And annuver fing......the bit about schwacking them the moment they step out of "their territory".......where exactly is that, bearing in mind they're motivated by religion, which knows no geographical boundaries?
a) aren't already a bit busy
b) have the technology to act and,
c) (most of all) actually give a s
t?Or are you suggesting we start dictating to the less cooperative bits of the Middle East on how to do business or we'll blow them up? Isn't that how we got in to this mess?
And annuver fing......the bit about schwacking them the moment they step out of "their territory".......where exactly is that, bearing in mind they're motivated by religion, which knows no geographical boundaries?
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 18th September 22:09
Hey, I never said I had all the answers... but I don't see/hear anyone else coming up with them either
However playing into the hands of murderers by allowing their handiwork to occupy unnecessarily large amounts of broadcast time/ internet bandwidth isn't going to solve anything, so as a start I'll shut up and fk off 
We might have hordes of rampaging Scots coming over the border yet, we'll need all our energy to sort them out first...
However playing into the hands of murderers by allowing their handiwork to occupy unnecessarily large amounts of broadcast time/ internet bandwidth isn't going to solve anything, so as a start I'll shut up and f
k off We might have hordes of rampaging Scots coming over the border yet, we'll need all our energy to sort them out first...
Crossflow Kid said:
You think "the legal powers in the countries in which they operate"......
a) aren't already a bit busy
b) have the technology to act and,
c) (most of all) actually give a st?
Or are you suggesting we start dictating to the less cooperative bits of the Middle East on how to do business or we'll blow them up? Isn't that how we got in to this mess?
And annuver fing......the bit about schwacking them the moment they step out of "their territory".......where exactly is that, bearing in mind they're motivated by religion, which knows no geographical boundaries?
I strongly disagree that's how we got into this mess. As much as individuals like George Galloway would like us to believe, this cultural clash has existed since inception. The first conflict the Americans engaged with the Islamic world was in 1801, the Barbary wars, when without the protection of the empire, their ships were raided, and their men made into slaves. When IIRC Thomas Jefferson demanded to know why, the response was 'Because the Quran says we can', the power of that statement is the reason the war continues. Not because we have repeatedly attempted to prevent nuclear acquisitions and to stabilise the region. a) aren't already a bit busy
b) have the technology to act and,
c) (most of all) actually give a s
t?Or are you suggesting we start dictating to the less cooperative bits of the Middle East on how to do business or we'll blow them up? Isn't that how we got in to this mess?
And annuver fing......the bit about schwacking them the moment they step out of "their territory".......where exactly is that, bearing in mind they're motivated by religion, which knows no geographical boundaries?
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 18th September 22:09
I'm sorry but I am somewhat left wing, but become increasingly irritated that people of my disposition demand resolution to these issues, whilst simultaneously closing their eyes to the reality of the situation and simultaneously advocate castrating their military, simply because they will not accept the grim reality. The reality being that what we have here is a fundamental incompatibility of cultures, and history has taught us one way of dealing with these small numbers of dedicated murderers. You accept collateral damage is part of war the you kill them. Every single one. There is no diplomatic solution here.
Aren't preventing their nuclear ambitions and trying to stabilise the region natural responses to them doing what they want "because we can" though?
When I suggested Western involvement is partly the cause here, I'm talking about more than the last fifteen years or so.
When I suggested Western involvement is partly the cause here, I'm talking about more than the last fifteen years or so.
Prof Prolapse said:
You accept collateral damage is part of war then you kill them. Every single one.
You know that's what they tell each other too?Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th September 06:45
Crossflow Kid said:
Aren't preventing their nuclear ambitions and trying to stabilise the region natural responses to them doing what they want "because we can" though?
When I suggested Western involvement is partly the cause here, I'm talking about more than the last fifteen years or so.
I examples the last 15 years because they are commonly cited as the cause.When I suggested Western involvement is partly the cause here, I'm talking about more than the last fifteen years or so.
Prof Prolapse said:
You accept collateral damage is part of war then you kill them. Every single one.
You know that's what they tell each other too?Edited by Crossflow Kid on Friday 19th September 06:45
Yes. Without diplomatic solutions being feasible however we have no choice but to engage using force.
I'm not saying it's pleasant. I'm saying because people Don't want to believe it makes it no less true
Crossflow Kid said:
So because they keep killing us we'll keep on killing them because they keep on killing us because we keep on killing them because......
Well no; we don't generally go around killing people unless they've kicked off first. That may not always have been the case, admittedly, but generally we weren't claiming to murder people in the name of our religion, we were a bit more open and admitted that we want your country's resources and if you try and stop us, THEN we'll kill you. The current crop of trouble-causers just do it because it's genetic.And because the West sold them guns
Wedg1e said:
Crossflow Kid said:
So because they keep killing us we'll keep on killing them because they keep on killing us because we keep on killing them because......
Well no; we don't generally go around killing people unless they've kicked off first.Crossflow Kid said:
So because they keep killing us we'll keep on killing them because they keep on killing us because we keep on killing them because......
I don't believe that either. They're not killing us because we 'killed them' (although who is 'them' in this instance? And who did the journalist kill?) they're killing westerners because they hate us and their religious beliefs, (which incidentally are not extreme, based on the Quran) grant them a moral escape to do so. You kill those you have to. You acknowledge the root of the problem is a fundamental clash of cultures rather than pretend we're all the same. On that basis you work out how best to live together. We are not the same, the sooner we stop pricking around pretending to live in a Disney cartoon the better.
So hang on a minute....this fundamental clash of cultures thing...
Your solution appears to be to kill anyone whose culture clashes with the West
Your solution appears to be to kill anyone whose culture clashes with the West
Prof Prolapse said:
they're killing westerners because they hate us
And why do they hate us? Is it because "we" just seem intent on killing all of "them"? Oh hang on....no, they want to kill all of us.....or was it...no, we kill them....I think.Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th September 22:23
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