POLITE - Hi-Vis Vest
Discussion
You can find examples of Police forces that have been positive about the vests too ....I must admit I haven't got a problem with them, wear what you like its a free country
If you have so happen to have a big white sports tourer for commuting on, AND wear the "polite" vest, if car drivers seem to pay more attention to your presence, then whats not to like about it
Personally I dont wear high-vis, 2 police bikers I have ridden with dont either when off they are off duty. One of them was knocked off his beemer when on duty in town at a junction, driver claimed not to have seen him. Thankfully he was ok, shrugged it off and sent the old dear to court on a careless driving charge
...never mind about people reading "polite" or "police" If some people cant see a cop bike in full livery, then what hope is for the rest of us
If you have so happen to have a big white sports tourer for commuting on, AND wear the "polite" vest, if car drivers seem to pay more attention to your presence, then whats not to like about it
Personally I dont wear high-vis, 2 police bikers I have ridden with dont either when off they are off duty. One of them was knocked off his beemer when on duty in town at a junction, driver claimed not to have seen him. Thankfully he was ok, shrugged it off and sent the old dear to court on a careless driving charge
...never mind about people reading "polite" or "police" If some people cant see a cop bike in full livery, then what hope is for the rest of us
king horse before they can read "Polite" on a riders vest.dapearson said:
Saw someone on a bike couple of months ago wearing a high vis with "someone's daughter" on the back.
Not sure what the aim of that is.
Probably trying to make you consider that the wearer isn't just some faceless road user but someone's son/daughter/father/mother/brother/ sister etc.Not sure what the aim of that is.
That we all have family and loved ones and we'd like to get home safely to be with them.
Surely not that difficult to work out?????
bass gt3 said:
dapearson said:
Saw someone on a bike couple of months ago wearing a high vis with "someone's daughter" on the back.
Not sure what the aim of that is.
Probably trying to make you consider that the wearer isn't just some faceless road user but someone's son/daughter/father/mother/brother/ sister etc.Not sure what the aim of that is.
That we all have family and loved ones and we'd like to get home safely to be with them.
Surely not that difficult to work out?????
Will it prevent someone running into the back of them? Possibly, but the writing is distracting, and if someone is going to run into the back if you then chances are they will regardless of what's written on your back.
On the open road if reading what's written on their back is going to keep them safe then frankly they need to make better progress.
I can see where that vest would be useful for horse riders, where cars are getting past a slower moving obstacle and the vest might cause a driver to give more room (though the writing is still distracting IMO), but on a motorbike??!
dapearson said:
Will it prevent someone pulling out on them? No, because the writing is on the back.
Will it prevent someone running into the back of them? Possibly, but the writing is distracting, and if someone is going to run into the back if you then chances are they will regardless of what's written on your back.
On the open road if reading what's written on their back is going to keep them safe then frankly they need to make better progress.
I can see where that vest would be useful for horse riders, where cars are getting past a slower moving obstacle and the vest might cause a driver to give more room (though the writing is still distracting IMO), but on a motorbike??!
Despite your arguments, you admit yourself that you saw it. You were able to read it and it made you think. Will it prevent someone running into the back of them? Possibly, but the writing is distracting, and if someone is going to run into the back if you then chances are they will regardless of what's written on your back.
On the open road if reading what's written on their back is going to keep them safe then frankly they need to make better progress.
I can see where that vest would be useful for horse riders, where cars are getting past a slower moving obstacle and the vest might cause a driver to give more room (though the writing is still distracting IMO), but on a motorbike??!
Perhaps it worked better than you've considered?
Just sayin' like
dapearson said:
Saw someone on a bike couple of months ago wearing a high vis with "someone's daughter" on the back.
Not sure what the aim of that is.
To make Mun and Dad, who probably paid for bike, feel better about "their little girl" getting to work/education on the bike despite all the horror stories of death and carnage.Not sure what the aim of that is.
It's a sort of reverse ....
bass gt3 said:
dapearson said:
Will it prevent someone pulling out on them? No, because the writing is on the back.
Will it prevent someone running into the back of them? Possibly, but the writing is distracting, and if someone is going to run into the back if you then chances are they will regardless of what's written on your back.
On the open road if reading what's written on their back is going to keep them safe then frankly they need to make better progress.
I can see where that vest would be useful for horse riders, where cars are getting past a slower moving obstacle and the vest might cause a driver to give more room (though the writing is still distracting IMO), but on a motorbike??!
Despite your arguments, you admit yourself that you saw it. You were able to read it and it made you think. Will it prevent someone running into the back of them? Possibly, but the writing is distracting, and if someone is going to run into the back if you then chances are they will regardless of what's written on your back.
On the open road if reading what's written on their back is going to keep them safe then frankly they need to make better progress.
I can see where that vest would be useful for horse riders, where cars are getting past a slower moving obstacle and the vest might cause a driver to give more room (though the writing is still distracting IMO), but on a motorbike??!
Perhaps it worked better than you've considered?
Just sayin' like
Just sayin' like
Crossflow Kid said:
Yeah but as dap says, it distracts and that's the worst way of drawing attention. It's also only any good when viewed from behind, and most bike collisions are side impacts at junctions.
Just sayin' like
But honestly, how does it distract??? Just sayin' like
it's like saying road signs distract, or adverts on buses, or any number of other pieces of information you need to handle during the process of driving/riding.
To say that a Hi Vi with something on the back will draw attention which is a detriment to your driving abilities says more about the complainee's ability than anything else.
I really couldn't care either way, but to say it's a distraction, when in fact it was noticed enough to raise someone's ire seems an admission of crapness.
Hand in your Man Cards at the door please....
bass gt3 said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Yeah but as dap says, it distracts and that's the worst way of drawing attention. It's also only any good when viewed from behind, and most bike collisions are side impacts at junctions.
Just sayin' like
But honestly, how does it distract??? Just sayin' like
it's like saying road signs distract, or adverts on buses, or any number of other pieces of information you need to handle during the process of driving/riding.
To say that a Hi Vi with something on the back will draw attention which is a detriment to your driving abilities says more about the complainee's ability than anything else.
I really couldn't care either way, but to say it's a distraction, when in fact it was noticed enough to raise someone's ire seems an admission of crapness.
Hand in your Man Cards at the door please....
Adverts on buses are totally irrelevant to my riding, hence I don't even look at them. They don't even register.
A plain high viz vest is fine, as that requires very little mental processing to do its job.
Put words on it though, and it's drawing more of one's attention and taking up more of a thought process than it need to, in order to read and absorb what it says,
It's the very, very subtle but significant difference between your eyes/brain saying "Bright yellow blob.....avoid" and "Bright yellow blob....ah, writing....what's that say....P-O-L-I...."
Now, you'll probably say there is no difference, but there is, and it can be critical. Genuine Plod bikes are very easy to spot and the rider is very easily identifiable.
Seeing someone on nearly-a-Police bike looking almost like a police officer will make you do a double take as the information presented to your brain just isn't making sense...the whole picture doesn't add up. Whilst doing this, you'll ride under a bus......or something.
Crossflow Kid said:
Road signs deliver relevant information and warnings, hence I give them an appropriate percentage of concentration.
Adverts on buses are totally irrelevant to my riding, hence I don't even look at them. They don't even register.
A plain high viz vest is fine, as that requires very little mental processing to do its job.
Put words on it though, and it's drawing more of one's attention and taking up more of a thought process than it need to, in order to read and absorb what it says,
It's the very, very subtle but significant difference between your eyes/brain saying "Bright yellow blob.....avoid" and "Bright yellow blob....ah, writing....what's that say....P-O-L-I...."
Now, you'll probably say there is no difference, but there is, and it can be critical. Genuine Plod bikes are very easy to spot and the rider is very easily identifiable.
Seeing someone on nearly-a-Police bike looking almost like a police officer will make you do a double take as the information presented to your brain just isn't making sense...the whole picture doesn't add up. Whilst doing this, you'll ride under a bus......or something.
Ahhhhhh Adverts on buses are totally irrelevant to my riding, hence I don't even look at them. They don't even register.
A plain high viz vest is fine, as that requires very little mental processing to do its job.
Put words on it though, and it's drawing more of one's attention and taking up more of a thought process than it need to, in order to read and absorb what it says,
It's the very, very subtle but significant difference between your eyes/brain saying "Bright yellow blob.....avoid" and "Bright yellow blob....ah, writing....what's that say....P-O-L-I...."
Now, you'll probably say there is no difference, but there is, and it can be critical. Genuine Plod bikes are very easy to spot and the rider is very easily identifiable.
Seeing someone on nearly-a-Police bike looking almost like a police officer will make you do a double take as the information presented to your brain just isn't making sense...the whole picture doesn't add up. Whilst doing this, you'll ride under a bus......or something.
But we've moved on from some sad soul trying to masquerade as a Plod bike to a person having a Hi Vi with "someone's Daughter" emblazoned across the back.
So now we're talking about general info clutter, not trying to decide if it's Plod or not. By comparison, what about couriers with Addis or similar plastered across their HiVi?? Should they be horsewhipped for causing a distraction? Or do you find yourself completely unaffected by it??
If you (not you specifically!!)can't assimilate that information as quickly as you do all the other information we're bombarded with, then I'd say you have no place on the road as your hazard perception and decision making skills are sub standard.
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
My hazard making and decision making capabilities are spot on thanks.
You clearly don't understand the science of visual communication in a high threat environment.
Anything that adds unnecessarily to a thought process can be a causal factor in human error. If you think your brain processes everything the same way, and allocates the same prioroty to everything you see or hear then you're very, very wrong and if you can't understand that I'd say you're the one with substandard skills.
Adverts on buses, hi vis on couriers......more easily processed (ie. Dismissed without further regard) as they appear in a scenario where they're expected to appear....bus adverts on the side of a bus, and a courier hi vi atop a 250,000 mile burgundy Deauville with a bungeed top box.
What confuses the brain is when one part of information (a hi viz deliberately designed to mislead and look like something else) conflicts with another (not the right bike, incorrect clothing etc).
I can cope with it quite easily, I'd just rather these knobs didn't waste my concentration.
You clearly don't understand the science of visual communication in a high threat environment.
Anything that adds unnecessarily to a thought process can be a causal factor in human error. If you think your brain processes everything the same way, and allocates the same prioroty to everything you see or hear then you're very, very wrong and if you can't understand that I'd say you're the one with substandard skills.
Adverts on buses, hi vis on couriers......more easily processed (ie. Dismissed without further regard) as they appear in a scenario where they're expected to appear....bus adverts on the side of a bus, and a courier hi vi atop a 250,000 mile burgundy Deauville with a bungeed top box.
What confuses the brain is when one part of information (a hi viz deliberately designed to mislead and look like something else) conflicts with another (not the right bike, incorrect clothing etc).
I can cope with it quite easily, I'd just rather these knobs didn't waste my concentration.
bassgt3 said:
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
So consider this....Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
CBB, I get your point, but much additional concentration is required to process the extra information text on a flouro jacket on a BIB lookalike bike presents? I'd guess in milliseconds, this will be a negligible amount, and unless you are "on it", then you will have a lot of spare capacity to deal with processing this "additional" information?
I'd also wager that in terms of a "high threat environment", that these are not detrimental to most road users in terms of creating a conflict competing for their attention?
I'd also wager that in terms of a "high threat environment", that these are not detrimental to most road users in terms of creating a conflict competing for their attention?
Crossflow Kid said:
bassgt3 said:
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
So consider this....Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Just sayin'..................
Mad Jock said:
Crossflow Kid said:
bassgt3 said:
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
So consider this....Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Just sayin'..................
I get the feeling that it's the fact that the wearer of a pseudo Police Hi vi is attempting to engage in an act of deception and subterfuge, and the attempted deception is what's really raising the hackles here.
Edited by bass gt3 on Monday 2nd February 10:36
bogie said:
Personally I dont wear high-vis, 2 police bikers I have ridden with dont either when off they are off duty. One of them was knocked off his beemer when on duty in town at a junction, driver claimed not to have seen him. Thankfully he was ok, shrugged it off and sent the old dear to court on a careless driving charge
...never mind about people reading "polite" or "police" If some people cant see a cop bike in full livery, then what hope is for the rest of us
Ahhh, this old argument that the hivizaphobics trot out time and again, with logic so full of holes you can drive a tractor through it....never mind about people reading "polite" or "police" If some people cant see a cop bike in full livery, then what hope is for the rest of us
I know someone who was driving one evening with their lights on and someone pulled out on them and hit them. Therefore, no one should ever bother putting their lights on. Waste of time, innit.
G
Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Exactly. You also failed to notice that it's a Give Way line, and not a Stop line.
Just sayin'..................Wow. Like that makes a whole heap of difference.
I just don't subscribe to this runaway freight train idea that if it gets your attention, it must be "safer".
Mad Jock said:
Crossflow Kid said:
bassgt3 said:
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
So consider this....Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Just sayin'..................
I just don't subscribe to this runaway freight train idea that if it gets your attention, it must be "safer".
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 2nd February 11:16
Crossflow Kid said:
G
Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Exactly. You also failed to notice that it's a Give Way line, and not a Stop line.
Just sayin'..................Wow. Like that makes a whole heap of difference.
No, but it is funny Mad Jock said:
Crossflow Kid said:
bassgt3 said:
I guess my point is that having a HiVi with the POLITE may be knobish but it's far from dangerous or a distraction, just as any other road borne info we are bombarded with.
So consider this....Miss Daisy is approaching this junction (see below) and, in taking in all the information (which isnt dangerous apparently), doesn't appreciate how rapidly she's reached the stop line, slams on the brakes, skids across the junction and in doing so blocks your path, catapulting you 100meters down the tarmac where you were travelling left to right.
Too much information can be as bad than not enough.
Just sayin'..................
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