RE: KTM 1290 Super Duke R: Review

RE: KTM 1290 Super Duke R: Review

Monday 27th October 2014

KTM 1290 Super Duke R: Review

KTM calls its 1290 Super Duke R 'the beast' - can PH2 tame it?



With all the excitement surrounding the super naked class someone was always going to over-step the mark. And for 2014 you have to hand that award to KTM. Fair enough, BMW has released the 160hp S1000R which also kicks out a claimed 82lb ft of torque, but the German 999cc in-line four was never going to match the thumping power of KTM's 1,301cc V-twin. Sure enough, the KTM produces a claimed 180hp, which equates to a genuine 160hp with 99lb ft of torque at the rear tyre. In a naked bike? You can see why KTM marketing types have been labelling this bike 'the beast' but is it really that savage?

Sun soaked launch? Rain soaked reality more like
Sun soaked launch? Rain soaked reality more like
Who's afraid of the beast?
In typical fashion, it was throwing it down with rain when I picked up the Duke. Not exactly the ideal conditions for testing a naked bike with such a savage power output. After a bit of a pep talk by the KTM guys, I was advised how to change power modes and told the bike had its ABS and traction control activated. Personally I find power modes a waste of time, especially when you have TC, so I left it in Street and just got on with sloshing my way home.

As I blatted down the dual carriageway my first surprise was how effective the KTM's small nose fairing is. It might look tiny, but it is actually really good at deflecting the wind and you can easily hold a steady legal limit without feeling like your head is being bent back on itself. And the Duke is also very comfortable. The KTM feels physically larger than other naked bikes, presumably because it isn't a stripped down sports bike and has instead been designed as a bike in its own right. The tall tank gives a 'sit in' riding position and the whole frontal area feels big and somehow reassuring. It's a muscular bike and wasn't quite what I was expecting, however I was pleasantly surprised. But did the power output live up to the hype?

Let's stick to the glitzy press shots then!
Let's stick to the glitzy press shots then!
As the roads were damp I was taking it fairly easily, which didn't bother the Duke at all. The throttle response is smooth and at low revs the V-twin is very refined, unlike my Aprilia Tuono V-twin which judders like crazy at low rpm. On the few occasions I opened the KTM up there was certainly a hint of some serious torque, not to mention a flashing traction control warning light, but if you didn't go looking for it the power was kept nicely in the background. I know KTM was calling it 'the beast' but on a gentle ride home in the damp the Super Duke felt anything but. However, when the weather dried up this all changed...

Shaken when stirred
With a dry road and a slight feeling of naughtiness I decided to put the KTM through its paces on some roads I know fairly well. And it didn't take long for the Duke's character to change. Get that V-twin on song and it is remarkably potent. With all the rider aids switched on the Duke still attempts to wheelie off the throttle in third gear, meaning the traction control light spends most of its time flashing like a strobe light in a 1990s rave. The power delivery is absolutely bonkers and you can almost feel the two massive pistons thumping up and down in the cylinders. On a flat and smooth road it's seriously impressive as the electronics tend to keep it all under control. However, hit a bumpy back road and it starts to unravel slightly...

Now, did I leave the traction control on or off?
Now, did I leave the traction control on or off?
The problem with such a torque-laden engine is that it is always trying to wheelie, something that sets off a fairly annoying chain reaction on bumpy roads. As soon as you are hard on the gas or hit a rise the front lifts, causing the traction control to chime in. This drops the front again, but if you are still on the power, as soon as the forks extend the front comes up and once again the traction control kicks in. The net result is that you end up kangarooing down the road rather that accelerating, which causes another issue. The Duke isn't an unstable bike, but this kangarooing and the fierce torque makes it want to shake its head quite a lot. It's not tank slapping as such, more simply kicking. While it certainly makes for a thrilling ride, it is also quite irritating and slows your overall pace down. So why not just turn the TC off? You can't, well not on the move anyway.

KTM has an irritating failsafe that means you can only turn the TC off when the bike is stationary with the engine running. And once you have decided to switch the TC off and the turn the ignition off, the computer resets itself and turns the TC back on again. You can get a dongle that makes the computer remember your last setting, but I found it really annoying I couldn't play with the TC while on the move. Sometimes you need to flick TC off should you wish to impress someone with a crafty wheelie, something you can't do on the Duke. And that's not its only irritation.

Inability to toggle TC on the move is frustrating
Inability to toggle TC on the move is frustrating
First generation woes
To me the 1290 Super Duke R feels like a bike that is nearly brilliant, but needs a few niggles sorted out. As well as the annoying TC issue, the Duke's mirrors are rendered utterly useless above 70mph due to vibrations, the oil pressure light on my test bike came on twice for no reason and most irritatingly the fuel reserve range is pathetic. The warning light came on and less than 15 miles later I was stuck at the side of the road, missing a curry and waiting for my girlfriend to rescue me with a can of petrol. And then there is the price, a tag of £13,999 is tricky to justify when the BMW comes fully loaded with active suspension for £11,390.

Wind the wick up on the Duke and the combination of fierce torque and the TC system means it is actually quite hard to ride quickly on a bumpy road and if you turn the TC off you really need to be on your toes. On a smooth road the torque is so strong that fast acceleration in third gear results in the front wheel hovering in the air slightly and the bars waggling from side to side gently. Yes, this is hysterical and really makes you giggle, but it's not the fastest way of getting past traffic! There again, take it gentle and the Duke is a very pleasant bike to ride. Which is why I'm a bit confused about the 1290 Super Duke R.

Never a dull moment on this bike, that's for sure
Never a dull moment on this bike, that's for sure
There is no denying the KTM is a bit of a beast, but do I want a naked bike to be a beast? Not really. To me the whole point of a naked is to have fun sub-100mph, something that is tricky on a sportsbike. At lower speeds the KTM's torque is so fierce you can't really go banzai on it and it doesn't quite have the simple joy of riding that the less powerful Speed Triple does. There again, at civilised speeds the Duke is very compliant and a lovely machine to ride. It's an odd one and I reckon the Super Duke is a bike you grow to love with ownership and needs to be sampled over a long period rather than a short romance.


KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R
Engine:
1,301cc V-twin
Power (hp): 160@9,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 99@8,300rpm
Top speed: 155mph (est)
Weight: 189kg (dry)
MPG: 41mpg (est)
Price: £13,999

 

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MarJay

Original Poster:

2,173 posts

174 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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What's the point of a 180bhp naked bike? People are buying nakeds because 1000cc sportsbikes have become stupid, so why would they then want to buy an even more stupid naked?

jamespink

1,218 posts

203 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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How long is it before this motor finds itself in the RC8?hehe
BTW, I love the press pictures of "how to ride your KTM" they should do the trick when plod stops you for a 400 yard wheelie...

405dogvan

5,326 posts

264 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I think a comment made by the designer - "wondering which sector the Japanese are going to ruin next" - might hint at why they're making a bike for this sector.

As to why it's so powerful - you really asked that here? People like power - they like big numbers - they sell bikes (even price numbers tbh)

To me it's a great looking bike which 90% of it's owners will never use 50% of - but that's OK in many ways.

I find it hard to imagine someone who's attracted to the BMW looking at this - or vice versa - but that's just my armchair 10p

3DP

9,912 posts

233 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Other than the poorly executed electronics that seem to cause as many problems as they solve, the only issue I have with this bike is the price.

It should be £10,999. KTM tend to oversupply, so when the more sorted 2nd and 3rd year models come out, expect decent discounts.

The KTM RC8R replacement with single sided swing arm and this engine with more top end, is going to be truly epic, but unfortunately I think they'll price it at Panigale levels.

crashley

1,568 posts

179 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Just me that thinks it looks a bit of a mess then?

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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crashley said:
Just me that thinks it looks a bit of a mess then?
Nope

Andy XRV

3,837 posts

179 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I think the prototype looked so much more "individual" Now it's just another bike with a fk off engine


Gixeh

162 posts

168 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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<---------Has got one.

<---------Loves it.

<---------Thinks it's worth every penny.

<---------Has no issues riding quickly on bumpy roads with it.

<---------Has tracked it and loved the power.

<---------Rides it on the road and loves the flexibility

<---------Doesn't mind if others think differently.

DodoRacing

539 posts

206 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Agree with all the comments about the "use case" of such a bike. It's a "we did it because we can" case. To me it's at odds with the idea of a naked bike in the first place.

110hp feels plenty on my naked bike (BMW R Ninety) and 70 mph is as fast as I comfortably want to ride due to wind blowing directly on to your chest. I'd like to see the dude doing 155 mph on a naked bike.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I'm not sure this is the bike thing everyone makes it out to be, is it really that different to the Suzuki B King? That was a naked with a 1.3L engine, and a limited top speed of 169mph iirc.

Silver993tt

9,064 posts

238 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Gixeh said:
<---------Has got one.

<---------Loves it.

<---------Thinks it's worth every penny.

<---------Has no issues riding quickly on bumpy roads with it.

<---------Has tracked it and loved the power.

<---------Rides it on the road and loves the flexibility

<---------Doesn't mind if others think differently.
Have you had the following problems which seem to have hit a significant number of owners:

1) Play in the rear hub felt by moving the rear wheel by hand
2) Oil leaks from various parts of the engine
3) Build/paint quality issues

Also, KTM recommend that a quickshifter is NOT fitted to this bike. From a specification point of view that puts it well down against the BMW S1000r and that's not even taking into account the huge price difference.


MC Bodge

21,552 posts

174 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Is this bike something that sounds better on paper than on the road?
How much use can be made of it?
-The article suggests fairly little....

Given that the electronics are required to rein it in for much of the time, less power and weight would appear to make more sense, wouldn't it?
-would a 990SMT or Duke be far behind on an interesting public road?


Tim85

1,742 posts

134 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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DodoRacing said:
Agree with all the comments about the "use case" of such a bike. It's a "we did it because we can" case. To me it's at odds with the idea of a naked bike in the first place.

110hp feels plenty on my naked bike (BMW R Ninety) and 70 mph is as fast as I comfortably want to ride due to wind blowing directly on to your chest. I'd like to see the dude doing 155 mph on a naked bike.
I just took an s1000r out at the weekend and sat at 90 the wind was just becoming noticeable clipping the top of my helmet...oooo errr. That was without the small touring screen and me at 6ft. With the screen I'd be happy to sit at faster for many miles. I think it's due to the sloped light unit it really was surprisingly good at deflecting the wind. I've not tried the superduke though.

The r ninety (whilst personally I think it's one of if not the nicest looking bike out at the moment) it's very old school styling with the round headlight and exposed clocks. Much like the front of my old hornet which really was a chore at anything over 70mph on your neck

MC Bodge

21,552 posts

174 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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...The Street Triple, with the painted instrument pod/screen thing and smoked screen on top is fine up to an indicated 90mph cruise for a 6' rider.

s3fella

10,524 posts

186 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Wasn't this launched a year ago?

Or is this a new version? If so, what's the chages?

robm3

4,927 posts

226 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I've got the Hypermotard 821 and it's 110hp. With this power it still pops wheelies everywhere and feels like a rocket in the higher revs.

I'm willing to wager the same rider will punt my Ducati faster through an urban environment than that KTM. Only on the track would the difference be seen.


RobST170

30 posts

150 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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As mad as a frog on a skateboard. There should always be a place for this kind of thing.

McClure

2,173 posts

145 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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MC Bodge said:
...The Street Triple, with the painted instrument pod/screen thing and smoked screen on top is fine up to an indicated 90mph cruise for a 6' rider.
yes mine without the additional screen is fine up to 85.

Well it was until the cam chain tensioner decided to go on strike on Sunday.

2blackhats

446 posts

200 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I had the previous generation of SD and it was the best bike I've ever owned. I like the look of this new one and I suspect its very good apart, possibly, from the 'elf an' safety electronics and as others have mentioned - the price.
But as to the question, "what's the point of it?" Well, duh... FUN obviously! Massive stupid, hooligan fun.
I'm so in....

TackleburyUk

493 posts

189 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Just picked up a MV Brutale 1078RR.

No computers, just a race ECU & exhaust and around 165-170 bhp.

Almost half the price of the KTM.