almax grinded?

[siamblue]

But isn't quantity as good as quality?i have 4 beefy chains on my bike 2 disc locks and a meta alarm,so if someone wants it they will have to cut through 4 chains.plus my road has full cctv and 2 big dogs keeping the bike company.

[Silent1]

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

[Wildfire]

Squire isn't too bad, but generally with all padlocks, they'll not stand up to a grinder with a good disc on it. I know I tested a whole bunch for work a few years back. The battleship is an awful lock. Easy to pick and not strong in anyway. Abloy are what I'd fit.

[GTIR]

Obviously amateurs.

They left the chain.

[Dog Star]

GTIR said:

Obviously amateurs.

They left the chain.

They nicked mine. s.

[creampuff]

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

[Silent1]

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

[GTIR]

Silent1 said:

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

[ZesPak]

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

I was just 'bout to say, both that key and the lock itself look nothing like mine.

[Silent1]

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

No, i am rubbed raw

[GTIR]

Silent1 said:

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

No, i am rubbed raw

Try lube next time then.

[Silent1]

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

No, i am rubbed raw

Try lube next time then.

i tried butter before, it ended badly.

[GTIR]

Silent1 said:

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

GTIR said:

Silent1 said:

creampuff said:

Silent1 said:

sadly the standard almax lock is st, replace it with either an abloy protec or abloy sentry padlock and it's much safer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VahQNzVw

Squire have changed the lock barrel since that Youtube vid was made.

Also we don't know if was really picked or if the maker of the video, or someone else, messed with the lock before the video was made.

i'm going to have a go at picking mine later, it's a newer type that i've got lying around since changing it for an abloy.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

No, i am rubbed raw

Try lube next time then.

i tried butter before, it ended badly.

I can't believe it's not.

[monkeh]

I use a

Plus a 19mm almax through the frame, i also have a garage with extra locks and a 50mm box section bar across the opening. And i have a motion sensor alarm.
I still don't like leaving the bike alone.

[Pragma]

Hi,

This is Steve of Pragmasis. There are a few things going on here:

1) All chains can be cut with a grinder, given enough time and a situation where a grinder can be used. That is why Almax and we say always keep the chain off the floor as it is much harder to cut with a grinder (or with bolt croppers) when the chain is swinging around in mid-air. Cutting with a cordless grinder is much slower than a mains one. Even with a cordless grinder, trying to support a chain while cutting it gets decidedly dangerous as it is very difficult to keep the grinder properly true in the cut as the cut gets deeper. I did some tests on this a while back and found it really awkward and almost chickened out when cutting our 13mm chain with a cordless grinder, with the chain handheld at the same time, and I wouldn't even attempt that arrangement with a thicker chain.

2) The Squire SS65CS is a very good fit on the 16mm and 19mm chains. That lock-picking video shows the standard 6-pin cylinder, and we don't know if the chap that filmed it had spent ages practising on that specific lock, or if he dismantled the lock first to remove half the pins. Seeing the key in advance and/or modifying the lock are common tricks for making yourself look like a great lock-picker. Doing it with an unknown and unmodified lock, kneeling on the floor and often in bad light and being nervous as you don't want to get caught, means it is much harder than sitting at a bench. We've been running our business since 2003 and we've never come across a single case where the SS65CS lock has been defeated, for real, by picking.

3) We switched to the R1 restricted section cylinder 2+ years ago and I think Almax switched to it last year. The keyway opening is much more convoluted in the R1 cylinder and that makes it much harder to get picking tools in there.

4) The Abloy PL362 with Protec cylinder is one of the most secure padlocks in the world **but** not when used with chains. The shackle is thinner than these chains, but with the PL362 it is very much more exposed so bolt croppers and grinders become a real threat, and that's what the thieves want to use if you give them the chance. So, by using the PL362 with a chain you are playing into the thief's hands in our opinion.

The problem is demonstrated with a video, albeit in German and albeit with the smaller PL342 lock (and coincidentally our 13mm chain):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaOSf2sQxM&li...

There are subtitles in English, so that helps. Even with this lock, there is enough room to fit 2 x 13mm chain links under the shackle and even then there is still too much access to the shackle so it becomes the weak point.

5) The comment about a thief that really wants your stuff will get it regardless is only true if they have the tools, if they have the skill, if they have the time, if they have the balls and if you give them the opportunity. That is a lot of ifs. Conversely, if you use rubbish security, or simply inappropriate security such as some pathetic cable lock or weedy Chinese chain, they will get your stuff easily.

I hope that helps.

Cheers,

Steve.

[SVS]

Excellent post - very informative. Thanks Steve

[EvoBarry]

That's put my mind at rest a little more Steve, appreciate your time and effort.

[Dog Star]

Hi Steve

I did promise you a pic of the F4 with the new arrangements.
Must get round to sorting that.

R.

[Wildfire]

George111 said:

I had my garage broken into by a chap using a petrol angle grinder. He cut through a Chub battleship padlock and a Squire SS65CS. A petrol angle grinder usually used to cut paving slabs and concrete will cut though a padlock in a few minutes. All he needs is to appear to be working on site, high-vis, van with sign writing saying garage maintenance or vehicle recovery . . . job done

A decent battery driven grinder will make short work of both the battleship and (with a bit more effort) the SC65. A petrol one even more so.

BTW The Cruiser and Battleship were great locks in their day, but a 2-1 pick will make short work of them if you know what you're doing.

The SC65, it depends on what cylinder is in them. You can technically bump some of them.

[hebegb]

Wow ! Very sorry you had your pride and joy nicked ....but here, have a free photography lesson on me in compensation....!
Jolly decent , I say !