Fast pull away, no wheelie
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How? Just how?
ffs. Even third is aggressive. I love the bike, but it is easier to pull away in rain mode B, than full fat A mode.
Actually first is kind of ok. Second is manic. Third is rampant. Fourth is terrific.
I love the bike, it's the best engine I've ridden. Love it to bits, but I cannot see how to do 2.7 seconds to 60.
Under 4 seconds is easy. Better than that is hard!
It wants to wheelie in third at 50 odd. Fantastic, except likely to get me nicked.
Fork is nearly in max preload but lowered plenty to compensate.
I run the back one click lower as I like a lower seat. Rear tyre grip ok, but a bit of a hoister...
Has to be said, what a machine. But gimme some advice please.
ffs. Even third is aggressive. I love the bike, but it is easier to pull away in rain mode B, than full fat A mode.
Actually first is kind of ok. Second is manic. Third is rampant. Fourth is terrific.
I love the bike, it's the best engine I've ridden. Love it to bits, but I cannot see how to do 2.7 seconds to 60.
Under 4 seconds is easy. Better than that is hard!
It wants to wheelie in third at 50 odd. Fantastic, except likely to get me nicked.
Fork is nearly in max preload but lowered plenty to compensate.
I run the back one click lower as I like a lower seat. Rear tyre grip ok, but a bit of a hoister...
Has to be said, what a machine. But gimme some advice please.
Get ALL your weight forward, really forwards, like with your helmet hitting the screen forward. to do that you need to get your feet up on the pegs ASAP. And its still going to want to wheelie, you have to hold it a few inches off the ground. You can use the back brake to hold it down if you have the control.
sjtscott said:
OP you've clearly never owned a 1000 twin if you think an 850 triple wants to wheelie off the line LOL
Its all down to technique
Had a cagiva 1000. Was slower than my sv650 point to point. I hate wheelies. I am crap at them. I do not want mono wheel action. My fz800 was way better for fast get aways in real life, but the 09 is more exciting. I just want to move off as fast as I can. Also had a gen 1 R1 and a TL 1000r. The R1 was ridiculous, the TL massively stupid. Lesser powered bikes are often quicker. I must add most of the time the missus was on the back. But the 09 has to be respected.Its all down to technique
EvoBarry said:
MT09 is this? Sat upright, soft rear suspension, decent midrange, short gearing.. and you're wondering why it wants to hoist the front? 
Stiffen the rear up if possible, or swap it for a better spring/damper if you're serious about quelling it. Failing that, what they said above.
I test rode the MT-09 the standard suspension is a joke, soft mushy and bouncing all over the place front and rear. I spoke to the dealer about this they had no real solution. Stiffen the rear up if possible, or swap it for a better spring/damper if you're serious about quelling it. Failing that, what they said above.
The engine is fantastic.. I rode it in A mode for 99% of the test ride at no time did I ever have to put any real thought into launching it hard off the line.
I'm buying the 1050 Speed Triple as my next bike LOL
Edited by sjtscott on Thursday 20th November 21:39
Yep, mt09. Fork is adjusted nicely now. Back rides comfortably, I hate a jarring ride. And yes, I think it is short geared, it has plenty of urge in everything apart from 6th. I'll try leaning forward more... But I thought I was doing this already! Quite an addictive machine and only takes a few minutes to adjust the suspension to go from rubbish to reasonable.
- I agree, The TL is "interesting" when trying to get away from the lights quickly HertsBiker said:
How? Just how?
ffs. Even third is aggressive. I love the bike, but it is easier to pull away in rain mode B, than full fat A mode.
Actually first is kind of ok. Second is manic. Third is rampant. Fourth is terrific.
I love the bike, it's the best engine I've ridden. Love it to bits, but I cannot see how to do 2.7 seconds to 60.
Under 4 seconds is easy. Better than that is hard!
It wants to wheelie in third at 50 odd. Fantastic, except likely to get me nicked.
Fork is nearly in max preload but lowered plenty to compensate.
I run the back one click lower as I like a lower seat. Rear tyre grip ok, but a bit of a hoister...
Has to be said, what a machine. But gimme some advice please.
Firstly, know at what revs the engine makes max torque. Then rev it out in 1st doing what McKean eays by keeping your weight forward. Then change gear so you always stay in the rpm range above max torque Now as the revs rise to redline the torque is decreasing so it won't wheelie. Revving through 1st is the trickiest bit and might need a bit of weight and rear brake to counteract the front coming up. The fastest is with the front 2 or 3 inches up like a dragster. ffs. Even third is aggressive. I love the bike, but it is easier to pull away in rain mode B, than full fat A mode.
Actually first is kind of ok. Second is manic. Third is rampant. Fourth is terrific.
I love the bike, it's the best engine I've ridden. Love it to bits, but I cannot see how to do 2.7 seconds to 60.
Under 4 seconds is easy. Better than that is hard!
It wants to wheelie in third at 50 odd. Fantastic, except likely to get me nicked.
Fork is nearly in max preload but lowered plenty to compensate.
I run the back one click lower as I like a lower seat. Rear tyre grip ok, but a bit of a hoister...
Has to be said, what a machine. But gimme some advice please.
More worrying is your set up logic. How do you work out that setting the front forks as stiff as a broomstick and then lowering them in the triple clamps compensates for it?????? The two have nothing to do with each other and setting the forks.so stiff will encourage the front to lift as there's no compliance in the front. If they are maxxed out they're like pogo sticks pushing the bike up to much and making the wheelies worse. trying to put more weight over the front will do nothing. then softening the back will encourage squat and a big weight transfer to the rear. can you guess what happens next? ?
Also consider the chain tension. if it's a bit tight it will bind the rear suspension at the end of its travel and make the rear effectively solid so the bike will wheelie like a champ.
get the bike properly sprung for your weight and practice your technique.
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