Potentially bad news for commuters in London

Potentially bad news for commuters in London

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Wildfire

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9,774 posts

251 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-...

Ho hum.. more charges.

Edited by Wildfire on Thursday 27th November 13:36

y2blade

56,029 posts

214 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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And rightly so.
Why should it be free?

black-k1

11,887 posts

228 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Perhaps because a bike that can complete it's journey in a fraction of the time a car can due to not getting stuck in traffic snarl ups, thus produces significantly less emissions.

Wyvern971

1,507 posts

207 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
To be fair, I think it should be a case of, Why should anyone get charged?

ajcj

798 posts

204 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.

Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......

upsidedownmark

2,120 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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IMHO it is rather NIMBY. Older bikes aren't necessarily clunkers, and anyway the major environmental impact of most private vehicles is in manufacturing and scrapping. My issue with this is it's a charter against older vehicles, which (on the private/motorcycle side rather than heavy goods) *may* improve the air quality in a tiny area *very* slightly, at the expense of increasing the overall environmental impact.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Trolling I assume?

Maybe the tax on fuel, tax to use the bike in the first place (VED) and the tax when the bike being bought isn't enough?

Not to mention bikes do not cause congestion, generally don't sit in jams at idle all day.

Few reasons to be begin with.

thatdude

2,654 posts

126 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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ajcj said:
Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.

Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
Right then well then now then

I have you know I have a FIFTEEN year old sv650s

now then now then

and I have you know it only takes a little bit of swearing to get it started on a cold day (but fires up wonderfully on a warm day)

I've never rebuilt the carbs (although it could benefit from it I suspect at 73,000 miles) but I have replaced choke cables and had the plungers cleaned

it is quite fuel efficient


but it's carbed, it lobs away fuel on the overrun, the hydrocarbon emissions are a joke compared to modern fuel injekshun. It does clunk but thats the fairings not quite on properly after it got repaired (hahahaa) after a car u-turned. The engine is alright actualy, and chassis-wise its safe and does the job. Chain is in good nick and the brakes even work.


Ok, joking about aside, bikes are becoming a more popular mode of transport in cities. There becomes a point when the bikes themselves do start causing congestion, but only for themselves (can you always get to the head of a queue at traffic lights?). no doubt this debat will run and run but I can see the arguments for and against the issue. Bikes do reduce congestion, but at the same time create a different kind of congestion.





Edited by thatdude on Thursday 27th November 14:37

moanthebairns

17,918 posts

197 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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£3250 it could cost you just going to your work, then fuel, insurance, wear and tear, road tax and the bike on top.

Madness, how anyone can afford this is beyond me.

sc0tt

18,032 posts

200 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Yup, I preferred it when you wasn't here...

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

211 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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On the bright side...I need to buy a new bike dear...

Mr OCD

6,388 posts

210 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Another reason not to live darn sarf...

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Because if everyone rode bikes in London there wouldn't be any congestion to speak of.

3DP

9,912 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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thatdude said:
ajcj said:
Not really so bad. By the time they come in, it will be penalising bikes more than 13 years old. Now I know some on here ride BSAs with hand ignition advance controls to work every day, but most people don't, and a 13-year old bike is often a crappy old clunker.

Counting down to photos of pin-sharp 1970s bikes still ridden to work, even in three feet of snow, and despite needing an hour's cleaning and a partial carburettor rebuild every three days.......
Right then well then now then

I have you know I have a FIFTEEN year old sv650s

now then now then

and I have you know it only takes a little bit of swearing to get it started on a cold day (but fires up wonderfully on a warm day)

I've never rebuilt the carbs (although it could benefit from it I suspect at 73,000 miles) but I have replaced choke cables and had the plungers cleaned

it is quite fuel efficient


but it's carbed, it lobs away fuel on the overrun, the hydrocarbon emissions are a joke compared to modern fuel injekshun. It does clunk but thats the fairings not quite on properly after it got repaired (hahahaa) after a car u-turned. The engine is alright actualy, and chassis-wise its safe and does the job. Chain is in good nick and the brakes even work.


Ok, joking about aside, bikes are becoming a more popular mode of transport in cities. There becomes a point when the bikes themselves do start causing congestion, but only for themselves (can you always get to the head of a queue at traffic lights?). no doubt this debat will run and run but I can see the arguments for and against the issue. Bikes do reduce congestion, but at the same time create a different kind of congestion.





Edited by thatdude on Thursday 27th November 14:37
Up until 3 years ago, I regularly used a 1996 or 1985 Honda C90 to go into the City at weekends. Until last year also used my '99 ZX7R in the summer.

The C90s got over 100mpg. If you work in the City, look at how many C90s and older bikes are still used. There are an awful lot of bikes over 13 years old used by despatchers and commuters, especially on the scooter side.


Although the impact of this happening is in fact tiny, it's the thin end of the wedge. Don't forget the LEZ and infrastructure is in place already for commercial vehicles within the M25. One switch flicked and they are collecting money from all vehicles and banning vehicle types as they do with the commercials now.

This is just a blatant money collection exercise, as always, as no-one will face up to us needing small government and massive cuts in the public sector rather than more and more taxes.

Perhaps air quality would be a bit better in London if it wasn't trying to house a great percentage of the extra 228,000 immigrants we've had this year alone? Try booking a Drs appointment or going to an A&E dept to see the effect first hand.

_Deano

7,405 posts

252 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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A bit of a joke and clearly a money spinner, now that motorbikes/scooters have recently increased in popularity.
I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.

People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.


Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Trolling. Again.

Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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_Deano said:
A bit of a joke and clearly a money spinner, now that motorbikes/scooters have recently increased in popularity.
I'm against the charge, given that i love riding my VTR, but even my more 'modern' RSV-R will be hit.

People will either be force to use crappy public transport, buy a new bike or just give up commuting on the bike.
More instances of grubby plates I fear.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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I thought communism died out in the late 80s but TfL seem determined to keep it going.
"I know, let's just make it so fking expensive to run a private vehicle, the People will be left with no choice but to use our stty public transport"
Now I've left their employment I can say I've never worked for such a narrow minded, blinkered organisation who appear determined to force their solutions on the masses by making the less politically appealing alternatives inaccessible to the man on the street. If I went to work on the Triumph, I got told off like a school child if I didn't park it in a marked bike bay (all of which were suspiciously out in the open) whilst those who cycled to work got the run of a football pitch sized basement in which to lay up their Cannondales in the dry for the day.
Utter wkers.

Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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y2blade said:
And rightly so.
Why should it be free?
Because it should be free for all traffic.

That argument is lost but it's fecking ridiculous that my 07 Blackbird gets in there for free under the new regime but every FI model that proceeded it has to pay.

bks money making scheme for s is what it is.

Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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I'm sure we'll all just roll onto our tummys, spread our cheeks and take it up the stter as we always do.