MV Agusta Brutale
Discussion
d8mok said:
rat840771 said:
Don't bother with the 848/749 - it will break
MT09 or 675 is a good shout.
My mate has the street triple R and he loves it, and being an ex bike racer he says it quick and great fun, he has also done a track day on it.
I owned a 848 for 4.5 years and never had one problem. How many problems did you have with yours? MT09 or 675 is a good shout.
My mate has the street triple R and he loves it, and being an ex bike racer he says it quick and great fun, he has also done a track day on it.
I seem to recall a BB local picking a brand new 1299 the other week and the bike nearly burnt to the ground!
Cheers for the feedback folks.
It really is a toss up between the MT-09 and the Daytona. From what I've read, both are great bikes at what they do, but what they do is very different from the other.
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
Interesting to read the above that the Daytona gets more use than the Street Triple; is it purely a speed thing or does it just tick more boxes overall?
I've found a nice example available for each, so I may have to try and wangle a test ride.
It really is a toss up between the MT-09 and the Daytona. From what I've read, both are great bikes at what they do, but what they do is very different from the other.
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
Interesting to read the above that the Daytona gets more use than the Street Triple; is it purely a speed thing or does it just tick more boxes overall?
I've found a nice example available for each, so I may have to try and wangle a test ride.
The Beaver King said:
Cheers for the feedback folks.
It really is a toss up between the MT-09 and the Daytona. From what I've read, both are great bikes at what they do, but what they do is very different from the other.
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
Interesting to read the above that the Daytona gets more use than the Street Triple; is it purely a speed thing or does it just tick more boxes overall?
I've found a nice example available for each, so I may have to try and wangle a test ride.
It may have been the Daytona was the new toy so I used it more. I think if I was forced to sell one of them I would struggle to decide which one to let go, they're both great bikes in their own way, though the Daytona is torture at town work it really comes into it's own on the open road, the Street is pretty good at both.It really is a toss up between the MT-09 and the Daytona. From what I've read, both are great bikes at what they do, but what they do is very different from the other.
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
Interesting to read the above that the Daytona gets more use than the Street Triple; is it purely a speed thing or does it just tick more boxes overall?
I've found a nice example available for each, so I may have to try and wangle a test ride.
I'm glad I got the Street first, if I had bought a Daytona as my re-introduction to bikes I fear it may have put me off all together, it's a harder bike to ride, but with three years experience it wasn't a problem.
neelyp said:
It may have been the Daytona was the new toy so I used it more. I think if I was forced to sell one of them I would struggle to decide which one to let go, they're both great bikes in their own way, though the Daytona is torture at town work it really comes into it's own on the open road, the Street is pretty good at both.
I'm glad I got the Street first, if I had bought a Daytona as my re-introduction to bikes I fear it may have put me off all together, it's a harder bike to ride, but with three years experience it wasn't a problem.
The last sentence is what has me thinking. I'm glad I got the Street first, if I had bought a Daytona as my re-introduction to bikes I fear it may have put me off all together, it's a harder bike to ride, but with three years experience it wasn't a problem.
I wonder whether the Daytona would be too focused on the sports aspect, instead of the MT-09 which is a bit more multi-tool. My thought train on this is that I think I'd rather start on something middle of the road and in a few years jump onto something more focused.
Much thinking to be done.
If anyone can comment on either bike, it would be appreciated.
rat840771 said:
Never owned an Italian bike, like you he may be lucky, but it is generally known they can be tad unreliable?
Just what we like to see, completely unfounded comments! 
"My mate's, cousin's dog's dad's previous owner's sister-in law's third uncle's postman once had a [Ducati, MV, TVR, Lotus, etc.] it was really unreliable and blew up every week, killing half the town's population. Never had one myself though, but it's gospel."
That said I've know a couple of mate's who have had issues with the older 748's.
I've had x2 Monsters and aside from some dodgy maintenance on the second one (by a previous owner), have covered almost 15,000 on them, in all weathers, no issues. I've also done about 5000 on an MV, including runs of about 500 miles in one go, no issues (aside from being a bit achey).
More on topic, I don't think you can go wrong with the Street Triple, there is a reason they win the tests. I rode one and really liked it. Once described as "the Grey Hush Puppy" of the bike world, it is still bl**dy good! I've seen a fair few on track days and they don't hang around!
When I tested the Daytona, it was possibly the most accomplished middle weight I've ridden, but, to me anyway, just not that exciting. Well not my ZX6-R plus a big wedge of cash exciting. But if I was to walk into a new, first sports bike, you won't go wrong. It will save you trying to make another bike: faster, handle better etc. it's an all round great bike.
I think it all depends on what sort of riding and where you will be doing it? I love my Monster for blatting about town, you can wring it out (it's only the M600) and feel like you're using it, without feeling like you're about to lose your license. Out and about in the countryside, it's underpowered and a bit of a chore on motorways (both power and wind protection).
Edited by Wildfire on Thursday 25th June 09:46
As above, reputation is one thing and albeit usually not completely unfounded, often not very true to date.
What does speak volumes is your warranty. If you're going to cover miles, warranty is a big thing. If Honda offers 3 years unlimited miles and BMW only 2, and you want to cover a lot of miles, the choice is easy.
The other thing is, to me it's a lot like fuel. If you only do a couple of thousand miles pa, higher fuel consumption will hardly matter. As will higher maintenance. Keeping a bike like a litre ducati in check for 15000 miles/year will probably cost you loads more than a Blade. However, make that 2000 miles/year, and the difference won't be that huge. On top of that, you're riding the bike you want.
In short, if you don't do a lot of miles, I wouldn't take service/fuel consumption into account at all and just get what you want. In the end, you're probably not getting it because you need it either, so why stop half way? If you go to the hookers, and she says it's £50 if you don't cum and £70 if you do, how much are you going to pay?
What I'm saying is, what colour do you prefer on the Brutale?
What does speak volumes is your warranty. If you're going to cover miles, warranty is a big thing. If Honda offers 3 years unlimited miles and BMW only 2, and you want to cover a lot of miles, the choice is easy.
The other thing is, to me it's a lot like fuel. If you only do a couple of thousand miles pa, higher fuel consumption will hardly matter. As will higher maintenance. Keeping a bike like a litre ducati in check for 15000 miles/year will probably cost you loads more than a Blade. However, make that 2000 miles/year, and the difference won't be that huge. On top of that, you're riding the bike you want.
In short, if you don't do a lot of miles, I wouldn't take service/fuel consumption into account at all and just get what you want. In the end, you're probably not getting it because you need it either, so why stop half way? If you go to the hookers, and she says it's £50 if you don't cum and £70 if you do, how much are you going to pay?
What I'm saying is, what colour do you prefer on the Brutale?
What! I'm just giving an opinion, to me this is a point of a forum - It's not unfounded, they are known to be more temperamental than Jap bikes. I've been around long enough to see the issues/costs involved with Italian bikes. Christ in the next sentence you contradict yourself and state this fact!
Wildfire said:
Just what we like to see, completely unfounded comments!
"My mate's, cousin's dog's dad's previous owner's sister-in law's third uncle's postman once had a [Ducati, MV, TVR, Lotus, etc.] it was really unreliable and blew up every week, killing half the town's population. Never had one myself though, but it's gospel."
That said I've know a couple of mate's who have had issues with the older 748's.
I've had x2 Monsters and aside from some dodgy maintenance on the second one (by a previous owner), have covered almost 15,000 on them, in all weathers, no issues. I've also done about 5000 on an MV, including runs of about 500 miles in one go, no issues (aside from being a bit achey).
More on topic, I don't think you can go wrong with the Street Triple, there is a reason they win the tests. I rode one and really liked it. Once described as "the Grey Hush Puppy" of the bike world, it is still bl**dy good! I've seen a fair few on track days and they don't hang around!
When I tested the Daytona, it was possibly the most accomplished middle weight I've ridden, but, to me anyway, just not that exciting. Well not my ZX6-R plus a big wedge of cash exciting. But if I was to walk into a new, first sports bike, you won't go wrong. It will save you trying to make another bike: faster, handle better etc. it's an all round great bike.
I think it all depends on what sort of riding and where you will be doing it? I love my Monster for blatting about town, you can wring it out (it's only the M600) and feel like you're using it, without feeling like you're about to lose your license. Out and about in the countryside, it's underpowered and a bit of a chore on motorways (both power and wind protection).
"My mate's, cousin's dog's dad's previous owner's sister-in law's third uncle's postman once had a [Ducati, MV, TVR, Lotus, etc.] it was really unreliable and blew up every week, killing half the town's population. Never had one myself though, but it's gospel."
That said I've know a couple of mate's who have had issues with the older 748's.
I've had x2 Monsters and aside from some dodgy maintenance on the second one (by a previous owner), have covered almost 15,000 on them, in all weathers, no issues. I've also done about 5000 on an MV, including runs of about 500 miles in one go, no issues (aside from being a bit achey).
More on topic, I don't think you can go wrong with the Street Triple, there is a reason they win the tests. I rode one and really liked it. Once described as "the Grey Hush Puppy" of the bike world, it is still bl**dy good! I've seen a fair few on track days and they don't hang around!
When I tested the Daytona, it was possibly the most accomplished middle weight I've ridden, but, to me anyway, just not that exciting. Well not my ZX6-R plus a big wedge of cash exciting. But if I was to walk into a new, first sports bike, you won't go wrong. It will save you trying to make another bike: faster, handle better etc. it's an all round great bike.
I think it all depends on what sort of riding and where you will be doing it? I love my Monster for blatting about town, you can wring it out (it's only the M600) and feel like you're using it, without feeling like you're about to lose your license. Out and about in the countryside, it's underpowered and a bit of a chore on motorways (both power and wind protection).
Edited by Wildfire on Thursday 25th June 09:46
The Beaver King said:
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
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Daytona has a very racey riding position I find. Properly arse up, head down, weight on wrists type. You absolutely need to try one..
If sports bike appeal a CBR600 is a very easy to get on starting point from my point of view.
As a first bike the MT09 makes more sense. They're not that expensive, don't lose much money if you want to shift it and it'll be a long time before you can feel the supposed cheapness of the suspension and find its limits.
More seasoned riders on here have tried it and found it a very fine motorcycle. I have personally tried a Tracer and absolutely loved it, the suspension never really feeling a weak point (though it might be slightly different than the naked. Don't know)
Wildfire said:
When I tested the Daytona, it was possibly the most accomplished middle weight I've ridden, but, to me anyway, just not that exciting. Well not my ZX6-R plus a big wedge of cash exciting. But if I was to walk into a new, first sports bike, you won't go wrong. It will save you trying to make another bike: faster, handle better etc. it's an all round great bike.
I think it all depends on what sort of riding and where you will be doing it? I love my Monster for blatting about town, you can wring it out (it's only the M600) and feel like you're using it, without feeling like you're about to lose your license. Out and about in the countryside, it's underpowered and a bit of a chore on motorways (both power and wind protection).
I think it all depends on what sort of riding and where you will be doing it? I love my Monster for blatting about town, you can wring it out (it's only the M600) and feel like you're using it, without feeling like you're about to lose your license. Out and about in the countryside, it's underpowered and a bit of a chore on motorways (both power and wind protection).
ZesPak said:
As above, reputation is one thing and albeit usually not completely unfounded, often not very true to date.
What does speak volumes is your warranty. If you're going to cover miles, warranty is a big thing. If Honda offers 3 years unlimited miles and BMW only 2, and you want to cover a lot of miles, the choice is easy.
The other thing is, to me it's a lot like fuel. If you only do a couple of thousand miles pa, higher fuel consumption will hardly matter. As will higher maintenance. Keeping a bike like a litre ducati in check for 15000 miles/year will probably cost you loads more than a Blade. However, make that 2000 miles/year, and the difference won't be that huge. On top of that, you're riding the bike you want.
In short, if you don't do a lot of miles, I wouldn't take service/fuel consumption into account at all and just get what you want. In the end, you're probably not getting it because you need it either, so why stop half way? If you go to the hookers, and she says it's £50 if you don't cum and £70 if you do, how much are you going to pay?
What I'm saying is, what colour do you prefer on the Brutale?
Thanks guys, good points.What does speak volumes is your warranty. If you're going to cover miles, warranty is a big thing. If Honda offers 3 years unlimited miles and BMW only 2, and you want to cover a lot of miles, the choice is easy.
The other thing is, to me it's a lot like fuel. If you only do a couple of thousand miles pa, higher fuel consumption will hardly matter. As will higher maintenance. Keeping a bike like a litre ducati in check for 15000 miles/year will probably cost you loads more than a Blade. However, make that 2000 miles/year, and the difference won't be that huge. On top of that, you're riding the bike you want.
In short, if you don't do a lot of miles, I wouldn't take service/fuel consumption into account at all and just get what you want. In the end, you're probably not getting it because you need it either, so why stop half way? If you go to the hookers, and she says it's £50 if you don't cum and £70 if you do, how much are you going to pay?
What I'm saying is, what colour do you prefer on the Brutale?
As far as the type of riding I'm expecting to do; it's purely going to be a 'weekend weapon'. Sunday rides, the occasionally trip to work on a Friday and 1 or 2 long distance rides to Wales etc.
I can't see myself doing more than 3-4000 miles a year and it will predominately be A/B roads.
The Daytona does seem like a great bike and ticks my 'go hard or go home' box. On the other hand, the MT-09 is supposed to be a lot of fun and a good starter bike.
The Brutale is off the table I think; although they are gorgeous, I'd rather something that is a little easier to maintain and source parts for initially. I don't fancy starting my biking life with something that is expensive, hard work and characteristic. From what I've heard, it's not a bike to ease you into riding.
J B L said:
The Beaver King said:
I've not heard anything negative about the Daytona, but I've heard the suspension on the MT-09 is a bit too soft and really benefits from a upgrade.
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Daytona has a very racey riding position I find. Properly arse up, head down, weight on wrists type. You absolutely need to try one..
If sports bike appeal a CBR600 is a very easy to get on starting point from my point of view.
As a first bike the MT09 makes more sense. They're not that expensive, don't lose much money if you want to shift it and it'll be a long time before you can feel the supposed cheapness of the suspension and find its limits.
More seasoned riders on here have tried it and found it a very fine motorcycle. I have personally tried a Tracer and absolutely loved it, the suspension never really feeling a weak point (though it might be slightly different than the naked. Don't know)
Agree completely; the reviews I've read are all from seasoned riders and experts. I probably won't even notice the suspension as I have no basis for comparison. I know quite a few of the DAS trainers have picked up the MT-09 and variants, they speak very highly of them.
rat840771 said:
Never owned an Italian bike, like you he may be lucky, but it is generally known they can be tad unreliable? If I was on a budget I wouldn't go for one!
I seem to recall a BB local picking a brand new 1299 the other week and the bike nearly burnt to the ground!
Ahh i see, So no first hand experience of them being unreliable then . Ive owned 4 ducati's in the last 5 years and never had a problem with any so rather than lucky maybe the odd few who have problems are unlcuky eh?. Maybe your comment should of said "it might break" rather than "it will break" I seem to recall a BB local picking a brand new 1299 the other week and the bike nearly burnt to the ground!
rat840771 said:
Totally missed the and overreacted.
Take it easy! Didn't mean to get you all worked up! Maybe you haven't had your coffee yet? It was only in jest, hence the and overreacted. and the contradiction in the next line, and another Also to add, service and maintenance is key to Italian bikes running properly. Ducati have upped their game since the 916 era and the 2V engines are generally pretty bullet proof once running.
MV have released the new triple which is very good, although the 800 seems beset with a sprag clutch issues. Combined with a cheap battery this hasn't been a great start on the 800's although I hear the new sprags are on their way and MV will warranty a whole powerplant for those particularly badly affected.
As above I've done a good number of miles on my MV and a friend did 13000 on his F3 in 18 months before upgrading to the 800.
Edited by Wildfire on Thursday 25th June 11:49
The Beaver King said:
The Brutale is off the table I think; although they are gorgeous, I'd rather something that is a little easier to maintain and source parts for initially. I don't fancy starting my biking life with something that is expensive, hard work and characteristic. From what I've heard, it's not a bike to ease you into riding.
I found the Brutale significantly easier to ride than the F3, recently rode the Stradale too and loved it, but I would agree, none of the MV range is what I would class as a starter bike. A Daytona is easy to ride slow and gets better the faster you go. The F3 is a bu&&er below 40mph! The Brutale much less so, but it's not all that easy. Yep I run a Dragster RR too
Very similar to the Brutale although mines the 800 so cant comment on the 675. Heard its a great engine though that likes to be revved
Im Essex based so have to travel a fair bit for servicing but I like being unique and it genuinely rides and feels great
I did brands last week and am at Snett in 3 weeks time https://youtu.be/al53zHxtNG4
Brakes are good, mapping is sorted with latest update and you can custom it anyways
They have a few niggles and you hear some horror stories on the web which isn't helped by keyboard warriors
In my opinion if you got a lust for one...do it
Very similar to the Brutale although mines the 800 so cant comment on the 675. Heard its a great engine though that likes to be revved
Im Essex based so have to travel a fair bit for servicing but I like being unique and it genuinely rides and feels great
I did brands last week and am at Snett in 3 weeks time https://youtu.be/al53zHxtNG4
Brakes are good, mapping is sorted with latest update and you can custom it anyways
They have a few niggles and you hear some horror stories on the web which isn't helped by keyboard warriors
In my opinion if you got a lust for one...do it
Ok... Monster reliability and running costs.
I've got a 2013 796. It has had only one problem, about 2 months after I got it the left hand switchgear needed replaced. I've had no other reliability issues or faults whatsoever, despite it spending days outside at a time in all sorts of weather
At 2000 miles I got the full Termi package put on it for about 1200. At 1 year I got the first service which was about 200. It needed new Diablos at about 6500 miles, for 220. The two year service (at 7700 miles), with belts changed and valves adjusted, the full shebang was about 425. I'm getting the front brake pads done on Tuesday (at 8700 miles) for approx 75 all in.
It's certainly been cheaper to run than my ER6 (servicing costs were scarily high) and much more reliable (and again cheaper to run) than the Diversion 600 that the Monster replaced.
I've got a 2013 796. It has had only one problem, about 2 months after I got it the left hand switchgear needed replaced. I've had no other reliability issues or faults whatsoever, despite it spending days outside at a time in all sorts of weather
At 2000 miles I got the full Termi package put on it for about 1200. At 1 year I got the first service which was about 200. It needed new Diablos at about 6500 miles, for 220. The two year service (at 7700 miles), with belts changed and valves adjusted, the full shebang was about 425. I'm getting the front brake pads done on Tuesday (at 8700 miles) for approx 75 all in.
It's certainly been cheaper to run than my ER6 (servicing costs were scarily high) and much more reliable (and again cheaper to run) than the Diversion 600 that the Monster replaced.
Edited by KennyAbarth on Saturday 27th June 22:04
And we've gone full circle 
I'm waiting on a call back about a 2008 Brutale 910; so we're are pretty much back to MV's again. Don't ask....
Very quickly, I've found a nice 910 for a pretty reasonable price. I'm keen on it, but there is something making me very cautious.
The bike has 3,500 miles from new (2008) and had 4 owners. Couple this with a circa £5500 asking price, I'm a little worried it might turn out to be a dog.
There are about 40 pictures from the dealer and it looks mint. I've spoken to them on the phone and it will come with a new MOT, it's had a full inspection and also has a pack of invoices for work done. Had a minor service in January 2015.
I would go and view it, but it is a fair distance away from me and I'm not going to get a chance to view it within the next couple of weeks.
So, risky? I need to speak to the dealer again and check if they are providing a warranty of some description.
Do I take a punt on it or walk away?
I'm waiting on a call back about a 2008 Brutale 910; so we're are pretty much back to MV's again. Don't ask....
Very quickly, I've found a nice 910 for a pretty reasonable price. I'm keen on it, but there is something making me very cautious.
The bike has 3,500 miles from new (2008) and had 4 owners. Couple this with a circa £5500 asking price, I'm a little worried it might turn out to be a dog.
There are about 40 pictures from the dealer and it looks mint. I've spoken to them on the phone and it will come with a new MOT, it's had a full inspection and also has a pack of invoices for work done. Had a minor service in January 2015.
I would go and view it, but it is a fair distance away from me and I'm not going to get a chance to view it within the next couple of weeks.
So, risky? I need to speak to the dealer again and check if they are providing a warranty of some description.
Do I take a punt on it or walk away?
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