Discussion
J B L said:
spareparts said:
J B L said:
3DP said:
TonyF said:
Well, all tucked up now but an epic ride home. Feels better mid range than my 2010 model and feels more comfortable to ride. Heated grips and cruise control were a godsend as was quite cold and a fair bit of motorway on the way home.
The amount of techno on the dash/bike is mind blowing and will take some time to work out !!
Will get some piccies up soon.
Congrats!! Get some pics up ASAP!The amount of techno on the dash/bike is mind blowing and will take some time to work out !!
Will get some piccies up soon.
The S1000RR still appeals as much as a faster Tefal iron.
1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
I looked at the '15 S1Kthe other day and i think it's trying too hard to be all things to all people. The switchgear is a clutter, with cruise control, heated grips etc. People might rationalise CC on a superbike as they sometimes do long trips, but seriously?? It's a superbike!! It's meant to be about the experience of riding it, not foo foo comforts more at home on other type of bike.
Yes, the '15 S1k is loaded with technology, but some of it is not the way of the future. IMHO, the electronic throttle is awful, more at home on a Namco Arcade game. It's devoid of weight other than a faux spring and just seems disconnected from the act of riding.
The bike I saw seemed to be quite poor in quality terms, can't see the asking price in trinkets or baubles. Is it's sole selling point this mythical top end power that 90% of riders will never experience?? Surely there needs to be more than that? Or have BMW distilled the S1K into a FMCG/Whitegoods item devoid of character or soul because it'll be disposed of in 2 years on PCP when the new bike is out??
And I hope the OP's has better reliability than ex WSB rider Lance Isaac who yesterday tried to run his new S1K in at our TD only to have the bike continually fail into limp mode every session. Not encouraging really
From the people I know who own S1K's, barring racers, pretty much every road bike is owned by guys who've never ridden and just want the fastest, not necessarily the best. Can they ride? Nope, do they extract the performance? Nope, in fact many I know are intimidated by it and it actually harms their riding progression.
Said it before, but the S1K really seems to bike for people who know nothing about bikes.......
J B L said:
Yes, really. And that's exactly for the reasons you mention. This bike is now the perfect bike for me, because:
1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
I fully understand where you are coming from, but agree with Steve that this is now trying to be everything to everybody whilst also waving the biggest willy. In that process, the S1kRR has diluted the essence of what it is to be a Superbike. Since when do you give brownie points to the 'best' superbike based on whether it has cruise control or heated grips? 1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
bass gt3 said:
J B L said:
spareparts said:
J B L said:
3DP said:
TonyF said:
Well, all tucked up now but an epic ride home. Feels better mid range than my 2010 model and feels more comfortable to ride. Heated grips and cruise control were a godsend as was quite cold and a fair bit of motorway on the way home.
The amount of techno on the dash/bike is mind blowing and will take some time to work out !!
Will get some piccies up soon.
Congrats!! Get some pics up ASAP!The amount of techno on the dash/bike is mind blowing and will take some time to work out !!
Will get some piccies up soon.
The S1000RR still appeals as much as a faster Tefal iron.
1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
I looked at the '15 S1Kthe other day and i think it's trying too hard to be all things to all people. The switchgear is a clutter, with cruise control, heated grips etc. People might rationalise CC on a superbike as they sometimes do long trips, but seriously?? It's a superbike!! It's meant to be about the experience of riding it, not foo foo comforts more at home on other type of bike.
Yes, the '15 S1k is loaded with technology, but some of it is not the way of the future. IMHO, the electronic throttle is awful, more at home on a Namco Arcade game. It's devoid of weight other than a faux spring and just seems disconnected from the act of riding.
The bike I saw seemed to be quite poor in quality terms, can't see the asking price in trinkets or baubles. Is it's sole selling point this mythical top end power that 90% of riders will never experience?? Surely there needs to be more than that? Or have BMW distilled the S1K into a FMCG/Whitegoods item devoid of character or soul because it'll be disposed of in 2 years on PCP when the new bike is out??
And I hope the OP's has better reliability than ex WSB rider Lance Isaac who yesterday tried to run his new S1K in at our TD only to have the bike continually fail into limp mode every session. Not encouraging really
From the people I know who own S1K's, barring racers, pretty much every road bike is owned by guys who've never ridden and just want the fastest, not necessarily the best. Can they ride? Nope, do they extract the performance? Nope, in fact many I know are intimidated by it and it actually harms their riding progression.
Said it before, but the S1K really seems to bike for people who know nothing about bikes.......
But, if the wife/bank manager only allows you 1 bike then the S1000rr is pretty much up there. In the hand of someone half handy, it can cruise all the way to the Nurburgring, go round like a scalded cat and come back holding a steady 85mph consuming 45mpg of petrol whilst keeping your mits warm and it'll still make you smile when you open the garage door and, if you're bothered by it, it still has as much street cred than any R1, Ducati or Kawasaki.
Its qualities are also its downfalls it caters for such a wide percentage of the sportsbike riding population that invariably, people who have no idea will buy it because it has the same badge as their 320D and people who know what they're talking about will know that they're pretty close to the very best out there without compromising too much on everyday usability.
That's my own opinion. 1 sportsbike to use mostly on the road, very occasional trackday, all singing and dancing equipment, 35+ years old rider, good warranty
, probably excellent finance plans (something Aprilia or MV don't have over here) = BMW.RemyMartin said:
Way to piss on soneones chips.
Haha - I'm fully expecting the same when I post up my new Blade on Thursday 
The S1KRR is not for me, but different people have a different mix of reasons/priorities for buying any bike and buying a brand new bike is always a super exciting, 'Christmas morning as a kid' experience. If the OP chose this bike, it's clearly for him and on balance he knows the reasons he chose the bike as being the best for what he wants or needs.
I'm looking forward to the pics as regardless of the nuances around character, electronics, perceived quality, personal preferences etc - it's devastatingly effective bit of 2015 kit.
J B L said:
Well, hey, I do ride a Honda Honda VTR SP for fun on the road so I do get all the passion, excitement and things like that mixed with discomfort. There's no other form of bike that stirs my loins more than a sportsbike. That's why I also mention RSV4 and MVF4, because they're more sexual than any other and if I could have a 3 bikes garage, one of them will be in it.
But, if the wife/bank manager only allows you 1 bike then the S1000rr is pretty much up there. In the hand of someone half handy, it can cruise all the way to the Nurburgring, go round like a scalded cat and come back holding a steady 85mph consuming 45mpg of petrol whilst keeping your mits warm and it'll still make you smile when you open the garage door and, if you're bothered by it, it still has as much street cred than any R1, Ducati or Kawasaki.
Its qualities are also its downfalls it caters for such a wide percentage of the sportsbike riding population that invariably, people who have no idea will buy it because it has the same badge as their 320D and people who know what they're talking about will know that they're pretty close to the very best out there without compromising too much on everyday usability.
That's my own opinion. 1 sportsbike to use mostly on the road, very occasional trackday, all singing and dancing equipment, 35+ years old rider, good warranty, probably excellent finance plans (something Aprilia or MV don't have over here) = BMW.
I really do get what you're saying, but I just think the Beemer is trying too hard, almost cynically so.But, if the wife/bank manager only allows you 1 bike then the S1000rr is pretty much up there. In the hand of someone half handy, it can cruise all the way to the Nurburgring, go round like a scalded cat and come back holding a steady 85mph consuming 45mpg of petrol whilst keeping your mits warm and it'll still make you smile when you open the garage door and, if you're bothered by it, it still has as much street cred than any R1, Ducati or Kawasaki.
Its qualities are also its downfalls it caters for such a wide percentage of the sportsbike riding population that invariably, people who have no idea will buy it because it has the same badge as their 320D and people who know what they're talking about will know that they're pretty close to the very best out there without compromising too much on everyday usability.
That's my own opinion. 1 sportsbike to use mostly on the road, very occasional trackday, all singing and dancing equipment, 35+ years old rider, good warranty
, probably excellent finance plans (something Aprilia or MV don't have over here) = BMW.Just for s
ts and giggles, if the MV was you bike of choice, why not fit heated grips and a bar end throttle lock or a throttle jacker for the longer rides??I can only go by my experiences here, but the BMW warranty seems to have numerous escape hatches BMW are very adroit at exploiting, even to the point here that if you fit a non BMW supplied end can, that's the end of your warranty!! Hardly encourages me on their a) Product confidence b)understanding and involvement with bikers constant desire to fettle their bikes. There was even efforts to void warranties on bikes that had been on TD's!!
spareparts said:
J B L said:
Yes, really. And that's exactly for the reasons you mention. This bike is now the perfect bike for me, because:
1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
I fully understand where you are coming from, but agree with Steve that this is now trying to be everything to everybody whilst also waving the biggest willy. In that process, the S1kRR has diluted the essence of what it is to be a Superbike. Since when do you give brownie points to the 'best' superbike based on whether it has cruise control or heated grips? 1/ When I use my bikes on the road, any person with as much skills as contained in John McGuiness's little finger would blow me into the weeds.
2/ I go on track once every 2 years or so... I get utterly destroyed by 14 year old kids on 125cc. I just want to see what my shinny new bike can do which is usually 90% more than I can.
==> for these 2 points, any sportsbike would work for a rider like me (and another 98% of the riding population)
3/ I use my bike to cover long distances, but not regularly. Family in France, biking holidays with mates. Heated grips! Cruise control! Comfy self adjusting suspensions! Sign me up for all this. As much as none of the 98% aforementioned riders want to admit it, anyone able to blow nigh on £20k in a brand new toy is going to be middle aged or close with a few joints starting to ache and not willing to endure torture all the way to Route Napoléon.
4/ Looks are in the eye of the beer holder. I like it now. Especially in black.
==> BMW have got that bike spot on, it's a marketing tool aimed at the bloke with money, not quite ready to move out of sportsbikes.
I equally love MV F4 and RSV4 but as a single bike owner/proposition, I find the Beemer hard to beat on paper.
I might ride it one day and hate it but going by the online reviews so far, I keep being drawn back to it.
By the way: both these systems and the adaptive suzies are optional extra so you can go "pure" if you like.
Don't get me wrong I love other bikes but to Joe Blog, when comparing an RSV4rf vs a BMW S1000rr: both around £18k, Aprilia loses 50% of its value with 36month, BMW retains 60% of it. Aprilia gets fewer gizmos. "German quality" fairy dust etc... if you work for Aprilia you're on a loser... even if you know your bike rocks.
The BMW is an amazing marketing exercise, I appreciate that, it's also an excellent motorcycle I'm sure and I'm looking forward to hear what the OP thinks about it (and see the picture because I think it looks great)
bass gt3 said:
I really do get what you're saying, but I just think the Beemer is trying too hard, almost cynically so.
Just for sts and giggles, if the MV was you bike of choice, why not fit heated grips and a bar end throttle lock or a throttle jacker for the longer rides??
I can only go by my experiences here, but the BMW warranty seems to have numerous escape hatches BMW are very adroit at exploiting, even to the point here that if you fit a non BMW supplied end can, that's the end of your warranty!! Hardly encourages me on their a) Product confidence b)understanding and involvement with bikers constant desire to fettle their bikes. There was even efforts to void warranties on bikes that had been on TD's!!
Absolutely... I might. Or not bother at all like I did over the past years on my R1.Just for s
ts and giggles, if the MV was you bike of choice, why not fit heated grips and a bar end throttle lock or a throttle jacker for the longer rides??I can only go by my experiences here, but the BMW warranty seems to have numerous escape hatches BMW are very adroit at exploiting, even to the point here that if you fit a non BMW supplied end can, that's the end of your warranty!! Hardly encourages me on their a) Product confidence b)understanding and involvement with bikers constant desire to fettle their bikes. There was even efforts to void warranties on bikes that had been on TD's!!
Would 80% of the customers though. Take Loon: he thinks spanners are for monkeys and refuses to get any sort of dirt under his manicure... how many customers these days who can spend £20k on a bike, are like that?
(no offence Loon
)J B L said:
Imagine you are Mr BMW marketing man and 60% of you gen 1 BMW S1000rr customers in the US told you they want heated grips. What are you going to do? ignore it for the purity of riding a 200hp sportsbike or relent to the CFO breathing down your neck heckling you to sell more sportbikes whilst reducing the cost of the overall business: the same cruise control & heated grips are now fitted to pretty much all their bikes so the more they sell, the more they save on cost and manufacturing)
By the way: both these systems and the adaptive suzies are optional extra so you can go "pure" if you like.
Don't get me wrong I love other bikes but to Joe Blog, when comparing an RSV4rf vs a BMW S1000rr: both around £18k, Aprilia loses 50% of its value with 36month, BMW retains 60% of it. Aprilia gets fewer gizmos. "German quality" fairy dust etc... if you work for Aprilia you're on a loser... even if you know your bike rocks.
The BMW is an amazing marketing exercise, I appreciate that, it's also an excellent motorcycle I'm sure and I'm looking forward to hear what the OP thinks about it (and see the picture because I think it looks great)
Totally understand the why's and whatnots, but I suspect that's one of the reasons i'll never have my backside on an S1k!! Septics and their Cupholers with everything!! By the way: both these systems and the adaptive suzies are optional extra so you can go "pure" if you like.
Don't get me wrong I love other bikes but to Joe Blog, when comparing an RSV4rf vs a BMW S1000rr: both around £18k, Aprilia loses 50% of its value with 36month, BMW retains 60% of it. Aprilia gets fewer gizmos. "German quality" fairy dust etc... if you work for Aprilia you're on a loser... even if you know your bike rocks.
The BMW is an amazing marketing exercise, I appreciate that, it's also an excellent motorcycle I'm sure and I'm looking forward to hear what the OP thinks about it (and see the picture because I think it looks great)
And if people start rationalising the purchase of a Superbike, maybe they should be handed the GS catalogue
And that's the point BMW seem to be missing. Maybe my comment about them being the bike for people who know nothing about bikes, rather they're the bike for accountants, tax advisors and bank managers
Wow,lots of valid comments above. Personally, this is my 3rd S1k and by far the best one I have ridden. I have only managed a couple of hundred miles on it so far but I can tell you it is an amazing piece of machinery. can't wait to get the 1st service out of the way as it limited to 9k rpm until then.I consider myself a fair rider and do participate in a good few track days every year, (this bike is going to portimao in April for 4 days) I'm lucky enough to have a ducati diavel and a repsol fireblade to play with.
I know this bike is not to everyone's taste, but I happen to think it is one of the best sports bikes out there right now.
I know this bike is not to everyone's taste, but I happen to think it is one of the best sports bikes out there right now.
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Wow, feel quite sorry for the OP, though I dearly wish I was in a similar position.
In reference to the comments about 'passion/excitement', i think these are manna from heaven for the marketing suits.
For me a motorcycle is a machine. A machines value should be related to the cost of the sum of the parts. As soon as people go getting all 'emotional/irrational, the discussion is moot as how do you quantify/value 'emotion' and how does you compare these factors across each individual.
Subjectively, as a machine, its performance kicks ass. Especially in the durability/reliability stakes when compared to the 'exotics'. The tech & performance per £ puts it top of the heap in almost every way, except when you throw used & modded bikes in, opening pandora's box further.
However good it is, there are those that know that they couldn't even ride the wheels off a 125, who would always rather pay 3* the going rate of a 'product', irrespective of the machines functional performance or capability. To them its a possibly a very clear statement of cinancial potency they can project. The marketeers dream. Pay £50k for a Superleggera, when it's measurable performance is no different to a £15k 'mass produced' product, but everyone knows its a 'bit of a lightweight'.
Anyhoo, thought I'd respond as y'all got me thinking.
Perhaps I'm just trying to justify to myself why I'm driving round in a 15 years old 'Beetle' & ride a 10 year old 'Gixxer' for my sts & giggles
Looking forward to the OP's pics of trackdays & European trips.
In reference to the comments about 'passion/excitement', i think these are manna from heaven for the marketing suits.
For me a motorcycle is a machine. A machines value should be related to the cost of the sum of the parts. As soon as people go getting all 'emotional/irrational, the discussion is moot as how do you quantify/value 'emotion' and how does you compare these factors across each individual.
Subjectively, as a machine, its performance kicks ass. Especially in the durability/reliability stakes when compared to the 'exotics'. The tech & performance per £ puts it top of the heap in almost every way, except when you throw used & modded bikes in, opening pandora's box further.
However good it is, there are those that know that they couldn't even ride the wheels off a 125, who would always rather pay 3* the going rate of a 'product', irrespective of the machines functional performance or capability. To them its a possibly a very clear statement of cinancial potency they can project. The marketeers dream. Pay £50k for a Superleggera, when it's measurable performance is no different to a £15k 'mass produced' product, but everyone knows its a 'bit of a lightweight'.
Anyhoo, thought I'd respond as y'all got me thinking.
Perhaps I'm just trying to justify to myself why I'm driving round in a 15 years old 'Beetle' & ride a 10 year old 'Gixxer' for my s
ts & giggles Looking forward to the OP's pics of trackdays & European trips.
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