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Question for those more experienced. When you go to turn in and someone appears right alongside you as you go to turn in do you:
A: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
A: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
roboR said:
Question for those more experienced. When you go to turn in and someone appears right alongside you as you go to turn in do you:
A: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
I can't speak for others but I always choose A even if it fA: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
ks both of us up. It makes them think twice if there is another time.Biker's Nemesis said:
I can't speak for others but I always choose A even if it fks both of us up. It makes them think twice if there is another time.
Aha cheers ks both of us up. It makes them think twice if there is another time.I probably should have done that really. It was a weird day, because they had the Andalucian 125cc teams riding in their own group (or something like that) they basically had a private group, Fast, and then inters-novice were together. So the gap was from 2:00 to 3:00 mins in that group whereas when I do inters normally it's 2:00 to 2:20.. I only managed two sessions, the first where it was just constant trafic (I'll put up a video, 45 people on track, everyone all over the place off the racing line. Even if you got a few corners in smoothly you'd catch up with people and because I'm s
te, I'd then take ages to overtake them as I didn't want to do that what guy did to me. Ah well, was a good day until that happened and now I've seen the behind the scenes area with the tunnels etc Edited by roboR on Monday 20th February 08:47
Whats peoples choice on track rubber while cold? Sc1 f Sc2 r? I was thinking of trying the Conti Race Attack again medium front Endurance rear. Not as much grip as the SC but didnt get all fussy and tear when the temperature changed 0.001 degrees and grip was still ok
Need to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
Need to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
roboR said:
Question for those more experienced. When you go to turn in and someone appears right alongside you as you go to turn in do you:
A: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
Doh. I'm sure you know now that C is the worst option. The answer to the question I guess depends on how far alongside you he is. I certainly wouldn't close the door on anyone as that's just going to cause an accident too. 99% of the times I've made what could be classed as a dodgy move, it's been by accident. Wasn't planning to pass, then the guy in front slows more than expected, so you end up alongside by accident and have to take the corner. sA: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
t happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight. mckeann said:
Doh. I'm sure you know now that C is the worst option. The answer to the question I guess depends on how far alongside you he is. I certainly wouldn't close the door on anyone as that's just going to cause an accident too. 99% of the times I've made what could be classed as a dodgy move, it's been by accident. Wasn't planning to pass, then the guy in front slows more than expected, so you end up alongside by accident and have to take the corner. st happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight.
Yeah thankfully while I learned the hard way, I'm ok and my bike will be fine too. t happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight. What you said above makes sense I'll try and bear it in mind. The only two accidents I've had on track have been from the same thing, someone coming in on the inside and me going straight. I've just watched the video and I actually turn in, but then I see him there and straight up, try to turn in again and he's still there so end up going straight. I should have just stayed turning as I don't actually think I would have hit him but either way... lesson learned for next time!
You don't see him on the video as camera is on the front of the bike. From what I remember when we turned in we took the corner at exactly the same speed which is why I wobble and try to turn in a second time but he's still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW7z_EcuhAs&fe...
Birky_41 said:
Whats peoples choice on track rubber while cold? Sc1 f Sc2 r? I was thinking of trying the Conti Race Attack again medium front Endurance rear. Not as much grip as the SC but didnt get all fussy and tear when the temperature changed 0.001 degrees and grip was still ok
Need to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
I ran soft Bridgestone and pirellis in cold weather years ago and they would tear up, I use sc2 or 3's now when I'm not using slicks and the last really wellNeed to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
roboR said:
mckeann said:
Doh. I'm sure you know now that C is the worst option. The answer to the question I guess depends on how far alongside you he is. I certainly wouldn't close the door on anyone as that's just going to cause an accident too. 99% of the times I've made what could be classed as a dodgy move, it's been by accident. Wasn't planning to pass, then the guy in front slows more than expected, so you end up alongside by accident and have to take the corner. st happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight.
Yeah thankfully while I learned the hard way, I'm ok and my bike will be fine too. t happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight. What you said above makes sense I'll try and bear it in mind. The only two accidents I've had on track have been from the same thing, someone coming in on the inside and me going straight. I've just watched the video and I actually turn in, but then I see him there and straight up, try to turn in again and he's still there so end up going straight. I should have just stayed turning as I don't actually think I would have hit him but either way... lesson learned for next time!
You don't see him on the video as camera is on the front of the bike. From what I remember when we turned in we took the corner at exactly the same speed which is why I wobble and try to turn in a second time but he's still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW7z_EcuhAs&fe...
At a track day it's drilled into you that the person attempting the pass holds the responsibility for the overtake, it's just plain bad manners to sit people up after all a TD is not a race but I suppose everyone can make mistakes.
After being on track with the likes of McKean the f
ker passes you before you are even aware he's there, always clean too Wichita is nice.mckeann said:
roboR said:
Question for those more experienced. When you go to turn in and someone appears right alongside you as you go to turn in do you:
A: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
Doh. I'm sure you know now that C is the worst option. The answer to the question I guess depends on how far alongside you he is. I certainly wouldn't close the door on anyone as that's just going to cause an accident too. 99% of the times I've made what could be classed as a dodgy move, it's been by accident. Wasn't planning to pass, then the guy in front slows more than expected, so you end up alongside by accident and have to take the corner. sA: Turn in anyways.
B: Wait a second and turn in late knowing you'll mess the corner up but that's ok.
C: Wobble, then carry straight on into the gravel and ride it out until you hit the tire wall.
Whoops, was a great day in Jerez until that
Will get video up bit later. (I am fine, bike is fine, mostly).
t happens sometimes. The correct thing to do is still to turn in when the guy beside you turns, but don't go to the apex, leave him room. If you're on a 'hot lap' and don't want to lose much time, run it a bit wide mid corner, sow it down more, turn it tight and take a very late apex, but get on the gas hard to drive out fast along the next straight. If it happens, I'll just try and stay as close to the inside of the corner as I can and allow them enough space on the outside of the track to still make the corner. Panicking and going straight on is your natural defence side taking over, and I guess, not wanting to be taken out by them potentially low siding themselves.
I had someone low side themselves at Donington outbraking me down the inside at turn 1. It was the hardest thing not to watch it happen right in front of my wheel as watching them would've seen me following them into the crash. it felt like they missed me by millimetres, but in reality, it was probably about 6-8feet
Birky_41 said:
Whats peoples choice on track rubber while cold? Sc1 f Sc2 r? I was thinking of trying the Conti Race Attack again medium front Endurance rear. Not as much grip as the SC but didnt get all fussy and tear when the temperature changed 0.001 degrees and grip was still ok
Need to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
Contrary to popular belief, if you go by Pirelli's own info, you're better off running a softer front if it's really coldNeed to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
I ran the Conti Race attacks (med front/Endurance rear) on my 600, and found them to be a really good tyre and they lasted better then the Supercorsa's I'd ran previously. They heat up really well too - Possibly due to the more tread cuts, so the rubber moves around a lot
They're also shed loads cheaper.
There's a few places doing cheap runs of 2016 dated SC1/2 Supercorsa V1's at the mo, and you can get a pair for around £220
Biker's Nemesis said:
That looked a bit nasty. Are you and the bike ok? Like I said earlier keep your line and turn in or as you've found out it'll be you that suffers.
At a track day it's drilled into you that the person attempting the pass holds the responsibility for the overtake, it's just plain bad manners to sit people up after all a TD is not a race but I suppose everyone can make mistakes.
After being on track with the likes of McKean the fker passes you before you are even aware he's there, always clean too Wichita is nice.
I'm totally fine. My neck a tiny bit sore from getting chucked off the bike but it could have been a lot worse! I'm not sure if to replace my helmet or not. I don't think I hit the ground with my head, and definitely not hard, but then there's a tiny stone chip in it which makes me think I should be safe rather than sorry. Shame as I've literally worn it twice. At a track day it's drilled into you that the person attempting the pass holds the responsibility for the overtake, it's just plain bad manners to sit people up after all a TD is not a race but I suppose everyone can make mistakes.
After being on track with the likes of McKean the f
ker passes you before you are even aware he's there, always clean too Wichita is nice.Bike is ok but needs a bit of TLC. There's no damage to engine casings etc, no damage to forks. Fairings buggered. But the garage guy I use said it will be no problem to patch them up with fibreglass and repaint them. I'm tempted to paint them the same fluro yellow as my leathers
Yeah I've realised now that I should have just kept my line even if I nudged him. Also realised that while I've had it drilled into me to never touch the brakes in the gravel, I probably should have used a tiny bit of rear brake (after the gravel had slowed me down a bit) to try and stop myself earlier. If I'd hit the tyres any faster, or straight on it could have been much more nasty.
Did get a nice pic though
Edited by roboR on Monday 20th February 12:17
Edited by roboR on Monday 20th February 12:19
mckeann said:
Marquez would have given it a handful of throttle to point it further round the corner. I've done something similar, but much less impressive, and much less successfully, but a bit of throttle can really help in the gravel
Unless you're in Cartagena where the gravel is about 50foot deep as I found out 
graeme4130 said:
Birky_41 said:
Whats peoples choice on track rubber while cold? Sc1 f Sc2 r? I was thinking of trying the Conti Race Attack again medium front Endurance rear. Not as much grip as the SC but didnt get all fussy and tear when the temperature changed 0.001 degrees and grip was still ok
Need to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
Contrary to popular belief, if you go by Pirelli's own info, you're better off running a softer front if it's really coldNeed to put an order in so seeing if anyone else runs different before I do
I ran the Conti Race attacks (med front/Endurance rear) on my 600, and found them to be a really good tyre and they lasted better then the Supercorsa's I'd ran previously. They heat up really well too - Possibly due to the more tread cuts, so the rubber moves around a lot
They're also shed loads cheaper.
There's a few places doing cheap runs of 2016 dated SC1/2 Supercorsa V1's at the mo, and you can get a pair for around £220
Sod it I know Conti so have ordered some 2017 ones. Cheers
mckeann said:
Marquez would have given it a handful of throttle to point it further round the corner. I've done something similar, but much less impressive, and much less successfully, but a bit of throttle can really help in the gravel
you are a considerably better rider than I am though, as is Marquez of course. I did start turning last minute as you can see, that's why I hit it sideways. Instinct kicked in and I tried to turn away from the tyres. I think if I'd maybe tried slightly earlier just leaning slightly I might have missed it totally (or slid out, but either way better than hitting the tyres head on).
You live and you learn
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