the bb trackday thread.
Discussion
wtdoom said:
This is a genuine question , I never thought about this before but how do you guys gauge when it's time to move up a group ?
We have our lap times posted on the pit walls, so you can see how you're doing. If the TDO highlights your name with "move up", you go get the corresponding sticker and carry on. Likewise if it says "move down"If you are putting in times within the top 5-8 of your group and your times are within the bottom times of the next group up, move up and see how you get on
mckeann said:
I can beat that. Already been going over in my head how to go about it 
Si, you were there that day Mick did his PB 1.43.00 , results are all still up there on HT website ...Neil, if you did a 45.4 on a track day , this week , you can and will beat that time of Mick's - I'm certain , especially after the manner in which Mike Dickinson described your analytical breakdown to a lap , every lap, within a session ...
You definitely seem to fall outside of the depressingly common practice of just riding round in circles , hoping and/or expecting something to miraculously change for the better, outside of simple track familiarity.... old Albert had it right methinks ....insanity and vain expectations of change without doing anything about it ....
I shall be there the day you next put Plan B into operation , I hope ..!
hebegb said:
Si, you were there that day Mick did his PB 1.43.00 , results are all still up there on HT website ...
Neil, if you did a 45.4 on a track day , this week , you can and will beat that time of Mick's - I'm certain , especially after the manner in which Mike Dickinson described your analytical breakdown to a lap , every lap, within a session ...
You definitely seem to fall outside of the depressingly common practice of just riding round in circles , hoping and/or expecting something to miraculously change for the better, outside of simple track familiarity.... old Albert had it right methinks ....insanity and vain expectations of change without doing anything about it ....
I shall be there the day you next put Plan B into operation , I hope ..!
I think you and mike give me too much credit. I just close my eyes and open the throttle. Oh, and if in doubt, I can always throw a new tyre at it Neil, if you did a 45.4 on a track day , this week , you can and will beat that time of Mick's - I'm certain , especially after the manner in which Mike Dickinson described your analytical breakdown to a lap , every lap, within a session ...
You definitely seem to fall outside of the depressingly common practice of just riding round in circles , hoping and/or expecting something to miraculously change for the better, outside of simple track familiarity.... old Albert had it right methinks ....insanity and vain expectations of change without doing anything about it ....
I shall be there the day you next put Plan B into operation , I hope ..!
That rear had done an afternoon at jerez and a day at knockhill. mckeann said:
I think you and mike give me too much credit. I just close my eyes and open the throttle. Oh, and if in doubt, I can always throw a new tyre at it That rear had done an afternoon at jerez and a day at knockhill.
You bastid. You just said you relied on the TC, now I see that you actually think about things. That rear had done an afternoon at jerez and a day at knockhill. That's me f
ked then.bass gt3 said:
There's no overrating, we are all timed with compulsory transponders so it's there in black & white. The clock don't lie. If you're too slow or too fast for your respective group you get moved after the 2nd session. Problem is people booking into A group when they know full well they're not up to the required standard and then causing grief for everyone else, or coming a cropper from over trying or getting flustered by the passing. A group rules are pretty relaxed, and we'll pass anywhere except stuffing it up the inside while the guy is turned.
And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
The idea of track days is to allow people who don't want to race to get on track, that's it. The moment you start getting pissed off with the level of others is when you need to either a. race, b. shut up and take the track day for what it is, c. take up golf. Still, people love to be big fishes in small ponds..using track days for 'setup' rather than a test day. Yeah, stay classy.And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
yonex said:
bass gt3 said:
There's no overrating, we are all timed with compulsory transponders so it's there in black & white. The clock don't lie. If you're too slow or too fast for your respective group you get moved after the 2nd session. Problem is people booking into A group when they know full well they're not up to the required standard and then causing grief for everyone else, or coming a cropper from over trying or getting flustered by the passing. A group rules are pretty relaxed, and we'll pass anywhere except stuffing it up the inside while the guy is turned.
And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
The idea of track days is to allow people who don't want to race to get on track, that's it. The moment you start getting pissed off with the level of others is when you need to either a. race, b. shut up and take the track day for what it is, c. take up golf. Still, people love to be big fishes in small ponds..using track days for 'setup' rather than a test day. Yeah, stay classy.And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
The whole point of groups is that people of similar capabilities are on track at the same time, novices don't get freaked and perhaps put off track days by being intimidated with guys with a much higher level of ability on the track at the same time as them and the fast guys are able to circulate knowing the rest of the riders are of a similar standard, not only in terms of speed but what you might call trackcraft.
If you honestly think that riders of all abilities should be out on track at the same time go and watch an open session trackday and then see if your opinion is still the same. I did last Friday, it was f
king scarey at times.neelyp said:
yonex said:
bass gt3 said:
There's no overrating, we are all timed with compulsory transponders so it's there in black & white. The clock don't lie. If you're too slow or too fast for your respective group you get moved after the 2nd session. Problem is people booking into A group when they know full well they're not up to the required standard and then causing grief for everyone else, or coming a cropper from over trying or getting flustered by the passing. A group rules are pretty relaxed, and we'll pass anywhere except stuffing it up the inside while the guy is turned.
And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
The idea of track days is to allow people who don't want to race to get on track, that's it. The moment you start getting pissed off with the level of others is when you need to either a. race, b. shut up and take the track day for what it is, c. take up golf. Still, people love to be big fishes in small ponds..using track days for 'setup' rather than a test day. Yeah, stay classy.And maybe we do club race, hence being in the A group and that is our setup and practice
When you have 20 guys circulating in the 1:42 to 1:52 times throwing in 10 novices doing 2:15's to 2:30 is little better than a recipe for disaster, especially on a 4.2km fast circuit.
The whole idea of groups is to allow the fast guys to go fast and the novices to ride without being passed or bombed by massively faster riders and learn the craft. But I would of thought this was obvious?
The whole point of groups is that people of similar capabilities are on track at the same time, novices don't get freaked and perhaps put off track days by being intimidated with guys with a much higher level of ability on the track at the same time as them and the fast guys are able to circulate knowing the rest of the riders are of a similar standard, not only in terms of speed but what you might call trackcraft.
If you honestly think that riders of all abilities should be out on track at the same time go and watch an open session trackday and then see if your opinion is still the same. I did last Friday, it was f
king scarey at times.- trolling ,I guess, bit thick, maybe ( kind of missed the point of the thread somewhat).......manifesting pomposity rarely seen before ...certainly.
Whenever anybody next comes across a National or International racer, or their team Manager ,who has dared to pay their money and engage in an activity with a private company ,( having been on track on UK/Euro trackdays with John Hopkins, Riyuchi Kiyonari , Loius Salom amongst others over the previous few years..) be sure to let them know what a Pleb. they are being. Screenshot Yonex's post above if necessary -" that'll learn 'em...."!
hebegb said:
Starting to think about it a bit at Snetterton- after the "blur" of the night before started to fade and I was finding the way round, started to really enjoy it last session once scrubbed slicks were in - felt good on bike and can't wait for Oulton now ...!
yonex said:
The idea of track days is to allow people who don't want to race to get on track, that's it. The moment you start getting pissed off with the level of others is when you need to either a. race, b. shut up and take the track day for what it is, c. take up golf. Still, people love to be big fishes in small ponds..using track days for 'setup' rather than a test day. Yeah, stay classy.
I agree on your first point. BUT……..with 3 groups to choose from surely self preservation and common sense should prevail. Not everyone can afford to go racing so use trackdays as their outlet, there are also those that have raced and packed up who use these days for keeping their eye in. However, everyone should feel safe, and this can only happen if people choose wiselyWhy should a fast rider have his fun curtailed by a wobbler in the wrong group, conversely, why should the wobbler feel like he’s being passed too closely when faster riders actually consider it safe ??
I had a situation on Monday where I found myself approaching a wobbler coming in to Richies at around 40mph slower, who then decided to cut in from the extreme left side and almost do a right hand turn rather than a nice sweeping curve. I had already tipped in on a line that a second prior to that seemed safe, but instantly had to start braking to avoid t-boning someone out of their depth. I shouldn’t be angry about this but when he then went on to shake his head and waving his leg at me it did piss me off. While the onus is on me to pass safely, coming down the start finish straight at probably in the region of 140 - 150mph it is easy to deal with people doing speeds within say 20mph difference, but when you are talking 40-50 difference they are soon upon you. This particular chap was no more than a slow to mid paced Inter. His poor choice of group could have been the end of both of our day.
sc0tt said:
BobSaunders said:
How do you find small boy bikes Scott? I am considering using them for Oulton soon. A little concerned about binning their bikes..
Really good mate. I think the answer is have a spare £500 incase you do. I was worried first time out but to be honest you sort of forget about it throughout the day. I then saw a binned bike and promptly remembered
Mat's bikes are brilliant though. You can see how well kept they are.
Ride perfect. On good tyres and if you need anything changing mat sorts it. Do it.
Considering booking onto Ron Haslam in the first instance to build confidence and have a little understanding/experience.
BobSaunders said:
Thanks Scott. Would be my first time on a track since passing my license so a little wary obviously.
Considering booking onto Ron Haslam in the first instance to build confidence and have a little understanding/experience.
Having only done 2 days I am not hugely qualified to comment. I did mallory for my first time out. Nice small track to learn. Built confidence over the day. Considering booking onto Ron Haslam in the first instance to build confidence and have a little understanding/experience.
If you book with Matt he knows all the instructors aswell so the first day I did I had dedicated instruction and he also sorted it for me at snetterton.
Up to you though, I haven't done a haslam day but I felt much better after having the instruction. He led for 2 laps then we switched, he watched me the rest of the session then went back in front to show me where I was going wrong.
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