New R1

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bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Dare2Fail said:
Richyboy said:
Anyone get the mcn paper today?
I've got it. They love the new R1. That said, it's MCN so take what they say with a large pinch of salt (the cover claims that it is king of track, road and dyno, and yet when you look at the power outputs it is down on a couple of others).
On the track test they reckon the R1 is some 2 to 2 and a half seconds a lap faster than the S1kRR and ZX10. Do we really believe that??

theshrew

6,008 posts

183 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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bass gt3 said:
Dare2Fail said:
Richyboy said:
Anyone get the mcn paper today?
I've got it. They love the new R1. That said, it's MCN so take what they say with a large pinch of salt (the cover claims that it is king of track, road and dyno, and yet when you look at the power outputs it is down on a couple of others).
On the track test they reckon the R1 is some 2 to 2 and a half seconds a lap faster than the S1kRR and ZX10. Do we really believe that??
Obviously BN was the test rider biggrin

It doesn't matter what MCN say, everyone will probably have more of a idea what its like the BSB test tomo. I know its only testing and times don't show much but body language and what the riders say saometimes says it all.



Dare2Fail

3,808 posts

207 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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theshrew said:
Obviously BN was the test rider biggrin

It doesn't matter what MCN say, everyone will probably have more of a idea what its like the BSB test tomo. I know its only testing and times don't show much but body language and what the riders say saometimes says it all.
Superstock maybe, and that's at a push. Superbike (even BSB) has bery little relevance on whether something is a 'great bike' for most people.

Richyboy

3,739 posts

216 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Someone has one already on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wThdqYa9feg

jjr1

3,023 posts

259 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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It looks like Yamaha have created the hype and possibly restricted the numbers for this bike to be the next 'must have'.

So the question is, do I need one?

Can I ride any faster on the road and what difference would it make to being 1/2 a second a lap quicker on a trackday?

..........

Still think I need to buy one !



Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

223 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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It seems like its living up to its hype, my main surprise was the S1000RR being off the pace, something not quite right there as the previous one was a very good bike, unless the R1 and 1299 really are that good.

I'm eagerly awaiting the new R1 going head to head with the new RSV4 now.

theshrew

6,008 posts

183 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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Dare2Fail said:
theshrew said:
Obviously BN was the test rider biggrin

It doesn't matter what MCN say, everyone will probably have more of a idea what its like the BSB test tomo. I know its only testing and times don't show much but body language and what the riders say saometimes says it all.
Superstock maybe, and that's at a push. Superbike (even BSB) has bery little relevance on whether something is a 'great bike' for most people.
I agree but lets face it that's what a lot of most people base there views on. A great example is the GSXR K5 ooooohhhh baby its the best bike ever splirt. Now Suzuiki's are pretty much classed as a dog. Simple fact is its still a good bike just not as developed as the other's over recent years.

As you say it makes sod all difference on the road. Just buy what you like.

tight5

2,747 posts

158 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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anonymous said:
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It is.
Also has a 'g' meter.
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UnluckyTimmeh

3,435 posts

212 months

Thursday 26th March 2015
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New S1000RR has that too. Brake force (I think that's measured off the g-meter though) and a lean angle sensor in degrees showing live readout and maximum gained.

We've turned it off on the demo as we don't want people to use it as a target hehe

I've been out on it a few times, I love the clutch-less downshifts smile

Bob_Defly

3,642 posts

230 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Richyboy said:
Someone has one already on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wThdqYa9feg
Ooh Vancouver.

mike150

493 posts

199 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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The comments about the Fireblade and GSXR where harsh in the MCN article, personally I don't have much interest in having the fastest bike on a track, to me its all about having fun and being comfortable having it. They label these two bikes as being pretty much past it!

I think that only half the people that would buy a 1000cc sport bike actually want all the electronics that the manufacturers are throwing at them. I like ABS and want that, I like traction control, I don't really want all the power maps and anti-wheelie, I want a good throttle and I will enjoy deploying as much power as I want not dictated buy an ECU.

The GSXR can be bought for £9500, not £15000 of the others (ZX10 exception) and as they did say it was the easiest bike to have fun on as the others all had to have their modes changed to allow a skid or wheelie. As for the comments that 'you will be wanting more power' and that 'the GSXR feels like a 750 here'.................. my bike wheelies off the throttle in 2nd and will do the same over crests up to 6th, it's got quite enough power IMO! I actually read a test of the BMW HP4 (Performance Bikes I think) where the rider stated that the bike had only gone into the upper quarter of the rev range a few times in a whole day of road riding.

The press fuel buyers opinions as to what they think they need, everyone that is on the market for their first new 1000cc bike is now going to think they need an R1, Panigale or BMW as the rest are too slow.



Edited by mike150 on Friday 27th March 05:02

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Until a Blade or GsXR passes them and disappears.

Then the penny drops...

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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MCN are known for frothing themselves into a lather over the newest and latest stuff. I do like the R1 although (and I've got the paper) I do find it a little bit hard to fathom why the s1000rr is so much off the pace. Two seconds is light years.

bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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RemyMartin said:
MCN are known for frothing themselves into a lather over the newest and latest stuff. I do like the R1 although (and I've got the paper) I do find it a little bit hard to fathom why the s1000rr is so much off the pace. Two seconds is light years.
The only reason would be tyres. Is the aYam running proper track tyres whereas the others are on their showroom rubber?
Otherwise I calll BS. It might be fast but to drop the ZX and BM by more than 2 seconds is fanciful tbh.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

129 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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bass gt3 said:
The only reason would be tyres. Is the aYam running proper track tyres whereas the others are on their showroom rubber?
Otherwise I calll BS. It might be fast but to drop the ZX and BM by more than 2 seconds is fanciful tbh.
All bikes were on the new Racetecs. ZX10R would have been slow because of it's stupidly tall gearing. Unsure on the Beemer, but wouldn't be surprised if this was the case again.

Honda and Suzuki were a further second off the Beemer and Kawasaki.

bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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WaferThinHam said:
bass gt3 said:
The only reason would be tyres. Is the aYam running proper track tyres whereas the others are on their showroom rubber?
Otherwise I calll BS. It might be fast but to drop the ZX and BM by more than 2 seconds is fanciful tbh.
All bikes were on the new Racetecs. ZX10R would have been slow because of it's stupidly tall gearing. Unsure on the Beemer, but wouldn't be surprised if this was the case again.

Honda and Suzuki were a further second off the Beemer and Kawasaki.
All on the same tyres??
Then I call BS!!!
2 plus seconds is an eternity on track. Seeing as it makes neither the most power or torque and isn't as light as a feather compared to the others, this can only be a case of the cretins at MCN bigging up the new kid and securing Yamaha marketing $$$


Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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I rarely read test reports now. Having in the past gone out and test ridden a number of bikes that have been tested only to find completely different characteristics or results always leaves me with the same conclusion. The journos have an agenda

bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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Fleegle said:
...............The journos have an agenda
^ 100%
Sad but very true.

jjr1

3,023 posts

259 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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The problem with this new model is that there are no Test Rides available?

So you have to give some credence to the journos opinions or cross your fingers and hope.

fergus

6,430 posts

274 months

Friday 27th March 2015
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anonymous said:
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Acceleration data is used internally to monitor the TCS, so they simply output some of the data to the dash. Likewise, the more modern ABS systems also monitor brake pressure as part of their activity. None of this is particularly "factory".

Try looking at the dash whilst you're aiming to see something meaningful in terms of +G/-G or high brake pressures and you're likely to be looking at the dash whilst the bike is on top of you hehe