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fergus said:
Acceleration data is used internally to monitor the TCS, so they simply output some of the data to the dash. Likewise, the more modern ABS systems also monitor brake pressure as part of their activity. None of this is particularly "factory".
Try looking at the dash whilst you're aiming to see something meaningful in terms of +G/-G or high brake pressures and you're likely to be looking at the dash whilst the bike is on top of you
I'd of thought it would be pretty usefully if you use a camera on your tank you can watch back I guess. My r1 has a gauge to show how far open the throttle is and I can only guess it's to look back on to see where you can improve.Try looking at the dash whilst you're aiming to see something meaningful in terms of +G/-G or high brake pressures and you're likely to be looking at the dash whilst the bike is on top of you
Tim85 said:
fergus said:
Acceleration data is used internally to monitor the TCS, so they simply output some of the data to the dash. Likewise, the more modern ABS systems also monitor brake pressure as part of their activity. None of this is particularly "factory".
Try looking at the dash whilst you're aiming to see something meaningful in terms of +G/-G or high brake pressures and you're likely to be looking at the dash whilst the bike is on top of you
I'd of thought it would be pretty usefully if you use a camera on your tank you can watch back I guess. My r1 has a gauge to show how far open the throttle is and I can only guess it's to look back on to see where you can improve.Try looking at the dash whilst you're aiming to see something meaningful in terms of +G/-G or high brake pressures and you're likely to be looking at the dash whilst the bike is on top of you
With decent logging you can see your apex speed compared to entry speed, throttle opening speed and amount and such. Then you need to decide what's loosing you time and set about practicing the weak points.
Kinda like....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4kMSXKn9g
No.1 for the R1
No.2 for the BMW
No.3 for the Ducati
Thats the MCN summary
No.1 for the R1
No.2 for the BMW
No.3 for the Ducati
Thats the MCN summary
bass gt3 said:
It only becomes useful if it's logged. And then you need a decent program to view the data and the ability to understand what it all means.
With decent logging you can see your apex speed compared to entry speed, throttle opening speed and amount and such. Then you need to decide what's loosing you time and set about practicing the weak points.
Kinda like....
That's considerably more boring than watching a little screen show your mad skillz in real time, so that you can adjust your line for an extra 4 degrees of lean and switch it to TC level 3 for the next lap of a roundabout. Think of the pub conversations - these things are important.With decent logging you can see your apex speed compared to entry speed, throttle opening speed and amount and such. Then you need to decide what's loosing you time and set about practicing the weak points.
Kinda like....
3DP said:
bass gt3 said:
It only becomes useful if it's logged. And then you need a decent program to view the data and the ability to understand what it all means.
With decent logging you can see your apex speed compared to entry speed, throttle opening speed and amount and such. Then you need to decide what's loosing you time and set about practicing the weak points.
Kinda like....
That's considerably more boring than watching a little screen show your mad skillz in real time, so that you can adjust your line for an extra 4 degrees of lean and switch it to TC level 3 for the next lap of a roundabout. Think of the pub conversations - these things are important.With decent logging you can see your apex speed compared to entry speed, throttle opening speed and amount and such. Then you need to decide what's loosing you time and set about practicing the weak points.
Kinda like....
Data is meaningless unless you can interpret it and use it to improve.
Telling someone to just "Go faster' is a pointless exercise, but if they're told they're slow on picking up the throttle off a corner, or their apex speed is 5kph off what's required, suddenly they have something to work towards.
Making a slow rider a bit faster is easy. Making a fast riser faster takes a bit more.....
for those who havent read it.
Yamaha 189.28bhp 82.98ftlb 1.50.08 10.42@152.20
Ducati 196.39bhp 105.17ftlb 1.50.79 10.41@151.38
Kawasaki 180.61bhp 78.72ftlb 1.52.31 10.23@150.40
BMW 196.26 85.05ftlbs 1.52.45 10.30@153.28
Honda 173.16bhp 82.85ftlbs 1.53.15 10.61@142.77
Suzuki 166bhp 81.11ftlbs 1.53.42 10.59@144.85
Yamaha 189.28bhp 82.98ftlb 1.50.08 10.42@152.20
Ducati 196.39bhp 105.17ftlb 1.50.79 10.41@151.38
Kawasaki 180.61bhp 78.72ftlb 1.52.31 10.23@150.40
BMW 196.26 85.05ftlbs 1.52.45 10.30@153.28
Honda 173.16bhp 82.85ftlbs 1.53.15 10.61@142.77
Suzuki 166bhp 81.11ftlbs 1.53.42 10.59@144.85
There is some serious trouser tightening material in that video. Oh to be rich, I think I'd probably have the R1, the Ducati and a ZX-10R. If I could only have one, I think I'd be a total tart and have the 1299.
The looks of the new R1 are growing on me though, I think the photos from the original reveal were not flattering, I like it more every time I see it. I don't think much of the sound - perhaps the induction noise onboard is amazing, but the exhaust note sounds pretty flat, it certainly doesn't sound as lively as the previous generation R1, but I'm sure a decent can from Akrapovic will sort it out.
I was reading about the current generation ZX-10R this morning, according to the review in MCN the headers are excellent and only the can needs changed to make power increases an option. I do wonder with bikes like the R1, the amount of development going into these bikes, how much room there is for improvement with an Akra full system or something. Will we ever reach a stage where the manufacturers can make the bikes sound as quiet, flat and lifeless as the regs require, while still making nigh on max power? It may defy the laws of physics, but the days of putting on a full system and being able to free up another big chunk of power are surely numbered.
The looks of the new R1 are growing on me though, I think the photos from the original reveal were not flattering, I like it more every time I see it. I don't think much of the sound - perhaps the induction noise onboard is amazing, but the exhaust note sounds pretty flat, it certainly doesn't sound as lively as the previous generation R1, but I'm sure a decent can from Akrapovic will sort it out.
I was reading about the current generation ZX-10R this morning, according to the review in MCN the headers are excellent and only the can needs changed to make power increases an option. I do wonder with bikes like the R1, the amount of development going into these bikes, how much room there is for improvement with an Akra full system or something. Will we ever reach a stage where the manufacturers can make the bikes sound as quiet, flat and lifeless as the regs require, while still making nigh on max power? It may defy the laws of physics, but the days of putting on a full system and being able to free up another big chunk of power are surely numbered.
Mastodon2 said:
I was reading about the current generation ZX-10R this morning, according to the review in MCN the headers are excellent and only the can needs changed to make power increases an option.
Apparently there's a simple ECU reflash available which frees up a reported 15 additional ponies. Not sure why it isn't part of the standard bike but all the ZX10race bikes here are running it with very good results. Head to head there's nothing between the new BM and the ZX so very effectivebass gt3 said:
Apparently there's a simple ECU reflash available which frees up a reported 15 additional ponies. Not sure why it isn't part of the standard bike but all the ZX10race bikes here are running it with very good results. Head to head there's nothing between the new BM and the ZX so very effective
You'd have thought they'd have included that sort of power on a switchable map as standard, if the engine has the headroom to support it. Unless of course, it's a case of the bike can make the power, probably quite comfortably, but Kawasaki wanted some tolerance built in to stop them going kaput. Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff